[SunkenCiv]

· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic · subscribe ·
	Gods Graves Glyphs	Thanks decimon. Of the most recent, and important finds made, was a gilded silver badge in the shape of a boar -- Richard's personal emblem. Experts believe this would have been given to one of the doomed king's closest companions and lost in the final stages of the battle. Probably torn off and discarded by one of the traitors who pulled him off his horse and stabbed him to death on the ground as his armor inhibited his movements. Henry Tudor was a usurper, murderer, and the dynasty he spawned was the bloodiest and most vicious in British history. On the other hand, no Tudors, no Shakespeare, so, oh well. :') To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
·Dogpile · Archaeologica · LiveScience · Archaeology · Biblical Archaeology Society · · Discover · Nat Geographic · Texas AM Anthro News · Yahoo Anthro & Archaeo · Google · · The Archaeology Channel · Excerpt, or Link only? · cgk's list of ping lists ·

[rmlew]

I believe the term is regicide. However, I’m with th eTudors here. Richard II was a murderer himself and pretender to the thrown.

[spyone]

Henry VII was much smarter than Richard. So what. Being King means exerting your dominance. Thought we saw through that. We will see. Interesting/scary times ahead.

[tlb]

The whole business of Richard III being a bad guy was all a misunderstanding. This misinformation is corrected in Black Adder.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084988/

[wildbill]

Hey, a hunchback who gave out gilded silver boar badges can’t have been all bad. Maybe those kids in the tower committed seppuku cause they were caught with copies of “Milkmaid” in the jakes.

If he’d had the press in his pocket like Obama, folks would still be singing hosannas to his name.

But nooooo. He had the luck to be overthrown, couldn’t find a lousy horse to get away and then followed by a line of rival who paid off a pretty fair wordsmith (propaganda ministry) whose alias was Shakespeare and the rest is history...sort of.

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Richard III hosted some amazing accomplishments that his Tudor image just doesn't jive with reality. It is because of Richard III that:

• The law of England was written in English (not Latin) - to be made accessible and understandable to all.
• Weights and Measures were standardized. A yard of cloth was the same length regardless of what merchant you went to.
• System of benevolences abolished -- no longer possible to buy your way into office. Richard wanted the best man for the job, regardless of birth or rank.
• Established a communication system that was the beginnings of the Postal System.
• Richard invented the system of bail. Richard did not want those accused of small crimes to be incarcerated for a lengthy time before their trial.

I think the most telling testimony on the character of Richard III can be made from the Records of the City of York. The Day AFTER the Battle of Bosworth was fought, and Richard is now dead, with Henry VII the new King, the members of the City Council voted to announce their great sorrow that Richard was "piteously slain" -- this was in effect, an act of defiance and treason against the new administration. I'll find the exact quote in a bit ...

[Ole Okie]

Are you referring to Henry VII or Henry VIII?

Both were known as Henry Tudor.

[colorado tanker]

Henry Tudor was a usurper, murderer, and the dynasty he spawned was the bloodiest and most vicious in British history.

Other than that, how did you like the . . . .

All true, but the Tudors finally brought an end to endemic civil war, navigated the Reformation and secured a Protestant succession to England with far less bloodshed than many places on the Continent and in the reign of Gloriana defeated a Spanish invasion and staved off a French invasion, they being the greatest European powers of the time.

To be sure there were a few things left to be worked out during the Stuart period, like a couple of revolutions and that England would be a constitutional and not an absolute monarchy, but by the end of the Tudor/Stuart period England was a modern nation and was emerging as one of the great powers of Europe.

[Brugmansian]

a mile to the south west

It only drifted a mile in 500 years. Its a safe bet, for the foreseeable future, the site will remain in England.