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A reconstructed Neanderthal skeleton, right, and a modern version of a Homo sapiens skeleton


1 posted on 03/17/2010 9:45:29 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

$21 million more wasted.


2 posted on 03/17/2010 9:47:37 AM PDT by Ingtar (Washington, DC: James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.)
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To: JoeProBono
... including the only Neanderthal skeleton in the United States ...

Lincoln Chafee left the country?


3 posted on 03/17/2010 9:51:32 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: JoeProBono


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 03/17/2010 10:27:07 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: JoeProBono
As much as I dislike leftists, human-style evolution started at the point the first humanoid tribe envied another tribe's wealth, starting tribal warfare. We'd still be eating grubs from a stick if it wasn't for leftists trying to destroy the more successful grub hunters.
11 posted on 03/17/2010 10:41:41 AM PDT by Reeses (All is vanity)
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To: JoeProBono
Cool. This is something I'll visit sometime. Here's a link, David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins
14 posted on 03/17/2010 11:16:35 AM PDT by Varda
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The Smithsonian has always been one of the leading purveyors of the Government Sponsored Evolution “Religion:.
15 posted on 03/17/2010 11:20:09 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

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Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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28 posted on 03/18/2010 3:20:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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Human evolution you say??

Consider this: If modern man evolved, then he must have evolved from SOMETHING... I mean, nobody out there is claiming that man or anything else ever evolved from NOTHING.

Now, all serious evolutionists as well as all other scholars in the relevant fields acknowledge that, in order to be descended from something, at some point, somehow or other, you have to be able to interbreed with the something.

The question is, what did modern man evolve from? What is there or has there ever been on this planet which we could have evolved from, i.e. something noticably different from us but with which we could still at some point interbreed?

The basic answer is a big fat nothing. You used to see these evolutionite diagrams showing the evo-loser chain of being, starting with monkeys and apes, and then homo-superbackwardsensis, then homo-reallybackwardsensis, and then Lucy, and then Java man and Peking man and the other homo erectus types, and then the neanderthal and then modern man.

It was presumed that we had evolved from the neanderthal since everybody else in that chain was clearly much further removed from us and more apelike.

Thus it was always a big mystery that, despite much evidence of modern humans and neanderthals living in close proximity to eachother for long periods of time, there had never beeen any evidence at all of crossbreeding. A big article on the topic appeared in Discover magazine in the mid 90s:

http://discovermagazine.com/1995/sep/theneanderthalpe558

And then, beginning in the late 90s, DNA was extracted from neanderthal remains and analyzed, and the big mystery was resolved. Neanderthal DNA was described as "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee", thus neatly ruling the neanderthal out as a plausible human ancestor; we could no more interbreed with neanderthals than we could with horses or chickens.

Like I say, all other hominids are much further from us THAN the neanderthal. Basically, there is no plausible evolutionary antecedant for modern man on this planet; you'd have to have some new hominid, closer to us in both time and morphology THAN the neanderthal and, if such a creature had ever existed, his works and remains would be all over the map and very easy to find.

Even such mainstream biology outlets as PLOS Biology note that the neanderthal made ZERO contribution to the genetic makeup of modern man and, again, all other hominids were much further away from us than the neanderthal and obviously made LESS THAN ZERO contribution to our genetic makeup.

That leaves three possibilities for how modern man got here:

The idea of man having evolved here is not workable. Any workable scheme for the arrival of modern man on this planet involves intelligent and deterministic processes, and not evolution.

34 posted on 03/18/2010 4:03:57 PM PDT by wendy1946
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