Posted on 03/22/2010 5:46:36 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
I want no part of disolving the United States. I want it all back and the Commies out, and on trial for Treason.
If Texas were to remove itself, it would not be simply Texas to go. You can count in the Okies and a lot more. It will not happen, but we will defeat these cretin.
do we have legal standing now to challenge his citizenship now that Obama has (will) signed a bill that MANDATES we buy health insurance
Oh, don’t get me wrong!
I AGREE that there IS legitimate legal standing, but I also thought that was the case with the birth certificate issue as every citizen in this country is affected and HURT by the actions of a man who may not be a legal citizen!
But the courts shut it down and said “no legal standing.”
So, I figure the same thing will happen with this issue as well.
Still, we must fight!
Why can’t we join the suit (class action)? Certainly the people who are being forced to do this have standing, don’t we?
Regulation of interstate commerce is not ‘the camel nose under the tent’, it is not ‘Archimedes lever that can move the world’, it is not a hammer that turns all problems into nails. It is a provision for Congress to mediate between the States in regards to regulating commerce.
It is well beyond time that the SCOTUS reigns in this abuse of the commerce clause such that there is NO activity by any citizen in any State that is theoretically free from Congressional regulation for its potential and/or tangential effect upon interstate commerce.
“Makes sense. But we are also “forced” to buy “services” of the government through confiscation of payroll taxes as in income taxes, FICA, et. al....simply because of our mere existence.”
No, that is not analagous, because no one can force you to work. Those taxes result from your free decision to work. If you choose to not work and just be destitute, you are free to do so. That is freedom. This is not.
email I just sent to Mr. Abbott:
Mr. Abbott,
Thank you so much for your decision to challenge the unconstitutional health care bill passed yesterday. I support you enthusiastically in this.
Why is this unconstitutional? There has to be some limit to what tyranny they can lump under the Commerce Clause and get away with it. By claiming the authority to issue an individual mandate to purchase a product against a citizen’s will, they assert or claim federal OWNERSHIP over the individual. There is no other way around it. This creates a relationship of servitude to the federal government. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to force individuals to buy a product or service. No one should be a slave of either an individual or the government.
Besides, if they are allowed the power to force this behavior as a condition of one’s existence, there will be NO LIMIT to what they can force individuals to do. What will it be next? Will they devise a bill to force us to purchase what they consider healthy food? Safe, or efficient cars? They could cloak anything under their expansive view of the Commerce Clause.
This must not be allowed to stand, or I fear they will become even more drunk with power and their “noble” egalitarian zeal. Who knows what will be next?
Fly that Bonnie Blue!!!
I think I have heard several plausible counts in making the law unconstitutional.
The 9th and 10th Amendments - not an enumerated power of the federal government.
The 10th Amendment - unfunded mandates.
The 13th Amendment - involuntary servitude forcing the purchase of insurance.
The 5th Amendment - taking property without just compensation.
Special deals made to pass tantamount to bribery.
Violates the Commerce Clause as it regulates a non-transaction (not buying insurance) [the flip side of the 5th Amendment I guess]
This is a punitive tax and therefore a revenue gainer and should be proposed in the House, not the Senate. [Congress could evade all constitutional limits by “taxing” anyone who doesn’t follow an order of any kind]
I have heard all these tossed about and it will be interesting to see if the USSC will at least rule on one of them. Favorably to the citizens of this country.
How can any citizen of the United States of America have “no legal standing” with our own Supreme Court? That makes no sense whatsoever, but it is merely a symptom of the larger malady.
As for calling a constitutional convention, be careful what you wish for. We have a great constitution with an amendment process that works; we merely need to hold our elected officials to the letter and spirit of it.
My fears for a new constitutional convention are twofold: one, that the Saul Alinsky crowd will show up in droves to overload the proceedings, bogging it down with rhetoric and procedure, or simply intimidating our representatives in the same way they currently do so.
Second, who here doubts that our rights would be traded for false security in the name of keeping us safe? I can see the first and second amendments, for instance, being chucked out the window in favor of “security” measures. Do not think that “they” would never do that; we never thought that “they” would compel us, through the force of law, to purchase a good or service.
Progressives want a new constitutional convention. They crave it, for they are sure that their tactics would work, yet again, to bring about their ideal state. I am not at all certain the outcome would preserve liberty and the rule of law as we once knew it. We have a constitution; use it.
This is dangerous ground we tread.
Thanks! Abbott also has a Twitter account that I joined.
The Democrats also lied and scammed. On Saturday, they said that they had the votes, but it was NOT until Sunday that they swung the deal with Stupak and his pro-life DemocRats to actually get the votes needed.
They only lie when their lips are moving.
Or when they are breathing.
You wrote-
“They only lie when their lips are moving.”
Actually...I think it is Stupak who lied about NOT voting for it. It was all a show.
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