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To: BCR #226

Good list, though I disagree with numbers 4 & 5. Number 4, because denying conceal-carry does not deny the right to keep and bear arms and there is some logic for that, which I will demonstrate at the end. Number 5, I disagree with because the ATF should not exist at all... it should not merely have “its powers reduced,” but instead be dismantled.

The logic for denying that concealed carry is a ‘right’:
1) You may keep and bear arms w/o hiding them, I did it every day while deployed in Iraq.
2) While it is true that CCW _permit_ holders are statistically one of the most law abiding groups, it is NOT true that people that conceal their weapons ARE. In fact (disregarding concealment laws) the people that carry concealed weapons are disproportionately the most lawless of society (robbers, gangs, etc) & CCW permit-holders are not the majority of this group.


11 posted on 03/23/2010 3:10:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
2) While it is true that CCW _permit_ holders are statistically one of the most law abiding groups, it is NOT true that people that conceal their weapons ARE. In fact (disregarding concealment laws) the people that carry concealed weapons are disproportionately the most lawless of society (robbers, gangs, etc) & CCW permit-holders are not the majority of this group.

CCW permit-holders number about 5 million nationally, IIRC. Do you have any numbers on violent felons? Vermont and Alaska haven't had any problems with concealed carry rights. Arizona and Wyoming are hoping to join them this year.

Once the McDonald decision says that all citizens, eventually with a minor number of exceptions such as violent felons and psychiatric patients deemed a threat to themselves or others, have the right to keep and bear arms.

I expect that restrictions on concealed carry privileges will go the way of the poll tax. I don't see open carry being very popular in cities. You don't pay for a right. Cities won't want to pay the costs of administering concealed carry rights.

27 posted on 03/23/2010 6:57:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: OneWingedShark
ATF... should not merely have “its powers reduced,” but instead be dismantled.

transfer all agents, weapons and resources to border patrol. let the jackboots go after illegal crossers they way they've gone after gun owners. border problem will be solved in under a month.
31 posted on 03/24/2010 4:14:06 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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