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7-day-old Florida infant dies after pit bull bite
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Posted on 04/14/2010 3:32:37 PM PDT by Chet 99

NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. -- A pit bull terrier fatally mauled a 7-day-old baby Wednesday as the child apparently lay next to his sleeping teenage mother.

The mother, whom neighbors identified as Nicole Koezeno, 16, didn't discover Thomas James Carter Jr. was dead until a neighbor said she knocked on the mother's door and woke her around noon. Koezeno answered the door, then turned around and saw what had happened to her newborn son, neighbors told the St. Petersburg Times.

Neighbor Jackie Frishe, 19, said the baby had claw and puncture marks on his back and stomach.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/14/1579228/7-day-old-florida-infant-dies.html#ixzz0l7IZ8GoY

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KEYWORDS: maul; mixbreed; pitbull
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1 posted on 04/14/2010 3:32:37 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

weeping


2 posted on 04/14/2010 3:35:38 PM PDT by Shimmer1
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To: Chet 99; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I wonder if the pit bull owners will be posting happy hippo images and jokes in this thread.


3 posted on 04/14/2010 3:36:09 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Chet 99

Teenage mother sleeping till noon sure doesn’t make it sound like the child ever had a chance.


4 posted on 04/14/2010 3:40:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Not only sleeping until noon, but sleeping through the attack and death of her child who was sleeping right next to her.
She must have been stoned or drunk or both.


5 posted on 04/14/2010 3:43:27 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: cripplecreek

Do you have kids? Cause she was probably up a lot at night and was snatching a nap and I don’t blame her for that. I just wish she had woke up and her baby was alive.


6 posted on 04/14/2010 3:43:38 PM PDT by Shimmer1
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To: familyop

Nah, the writer got it wrong....I’m sure this was a Golden Retriever....its always the Golden Retrievers not the pitbulls.


7 posted on 04/14/2010 3:43:40 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: Chet 99
There is something a whole lot wrong with this story. This didn't happen quietly or without a lot of physical activity and the mother says she slept through the attack?????
The baby may be dead and this may be the mothers story but there is a boatload of BS along the way. I would want to see documented facts about exactly how this baby died from the medical examiner before reaching any conclusion.
8 posted on 04/14/2010 3:44:39 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom and security are worth fighting for. Proud vet.)
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To: familyop

I hope not. There are certian breeds of dog that should not be trusted around small children. Dogs can become jealous of babies. Pits aren’t the only ones though, I have seen a Charpee become violently jealous of a new born, and it was put down before it could act. I would never consider owning a pitbull though.


9 posted on 04/14/2010 3:44:51 PM PDT by chris37
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To: cripplecreek

She was probably partying at the local “Rap” club until 3am, lookin’ for a new babydaddy.


10 posted on 04/14/2010 3:45:24 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: chris37

Sharpei’s, Pitt Bulls, it’s all the same.. FIGHTING dogs which also include Chow Chow’s and Rottweilers don’t mix with babies. I guess in this girl’s case, “It’s all good”. You play with the Michael Vick types, you get BURNED.


11 posted on 04/14/2010 3:48:30 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: Chet 99

Dreadful. RIP.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 3:51:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Shimmer1
Do you have kids?

Nope but I've done more than my share of child rearing including infants. When I was 21 years old I had a newborn dropped in my lap because the mother remained in the hospital for several weeks. I later met a woman a few days after her son was born and ended up marrying her before the child was a year old.

There's something wrong with this story. I just can't see a parent of a newborn sleeping so deeply they she wouldn't hear something.
13 posted on 04/14/2010 3:55:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Now that I can certainly agree with. Moms, even new moms, especially new moms, usually sleep much lighter, not heavier!


14 posted on 04/14/2010 4:04:40 PM PDT by Shimmer1
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To: cripplecreek
While anything is possible, keep in mind that just a short week ago, she had a baby and could very well be taking pain medication (c-section?) or the baby could have kept her up all night. BTDT.

But this dog shouldn't have been anywhere near the baby. Such a sad story.

15 posted on 04/14/2010 4:06:34 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: historyrepeatz

Oh boy, I misspelled the heck out of Sharpei, didn’t I?

You are right, though, it is the fighting dogs.

However, my friend did have his face bitten off as a small child by a golden retreiver that had been poisoned by a neighbor. The damage was severe, but surgery made it mostly undetectable.

I also had to have a Chow Chow that I adopted off of the streets of New Orleans put to sleep when it turned on me and bit me after I told it to go outside for latrine duties. I pointed to the back door, it fell over on its side in protest, I reached down to urge the dog with my hand gently, and then I knew what fangs in flesh felt like. Very fast, multiple bites before I could even react. This dog did display other temperament problems prior to this attack as well.


16 posted on 04/14/2010 4:06:59 PM PDT by chris37
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To: chris37

I read of a story where a Pomeranian killed a newborn. It doesn’t take a big dog to hurt a little baby like that.


17 posted on 04/14/2010 4:08:17 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Shimmer1

When I brought the baby home from the hospital she slept right next to my bed and every noise in the middle of the night brought me wide awake.

My sister is dealing with my niece and her two kids right now. My niece isn’t a bad girl but she’s too immature to deal with two children and a teenage father who doesn’t want to deal with anything. They just moved into my sister’s house at 2 AM this morning and then planned to sleep all day today.

I guess I was different, I always loved kids and even volunteered to baby sit for infants as a teenager.


18 posted on 04/14/2010 4:11:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Congrats on babysitting duty. But it’s simply NOT the same as carrying a baby for 9mos and giving birth. Your body doesn’t bounce back that fast after only a week.


19 posted on 04/14/2010 4:11:21 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: TNdandelion

Wow! I would have never imagined a pomeranian could do that, but a 7 pound cat can do severe damage to a fully grown adult male human if it puts its mind to it. A baby is just utterly defenseless, it’s up to the parents to protect it, and now I am getting angry thinking that this girl left this baby around a damn pitbull while she was sleeping. >_<


20 posted on 04/14/2010 4:12:27 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Chet 99

Sidon, a 90-lb male pit bull that attacked and killed a 7-day old newborn boy Wednesday is being held at Pasco County Animal Services in Land O' Lakes.

21 posted on 04/14/2010 4:16:04 PM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: chris37

It’s not unusual for dogs to get cranky when they age.. Especially when deafness or blindness set in. They become unsure of their ability to protect/defend themselves and can lash out. This isn’t so bad if the dog is a chihuahua, but many of the FIGHTING dog breeds end up put down or in shelters because their owners become fearful of them. Another thing to consider before owning a dog.

I know someone who had a chihuahua that turned into Satan in his old age.. went partially blind and deaf.. poor thing was always on the defensive, bless his soul. But his owner understood this and never punished the dog. But if this dog had been a Pitt Bull, one has to consider the fatal consequences.


22 posted on 04/14/2010 4:17:57 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: chris37
http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2001/pomeranian.html

Happened back in 2001, I believe. The caretaker left the 6wk old just long enough to warm up a bottle and the dog attacked and killed the baby.

I would also like to address the concerns of those that don't understand why the mom didn't hear anything. Without being too graphic, it wouldn't take much for a dog that size to kill something that tiny. I've seen what a rat terrier can do with a mouse and it's quick.

23 posted on 04/14/2010 4:18:01 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I agree, gosh when the baby is week old you are tired but man o man, nerves are set on edge for every squeak from that precious bundle. Much less “sleep through” a pit bull gnawing on your baby next to you.

Stoned or drunk or both would be my guess.


24 posted on 04/14/2010 4:18:20 PM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: cripplecreek
Teenage mother sleeping till noon sure doesn’t make it sound like the child ever had a chance.

________________________________

Ah, the spectre of good Christian kindness appears once again...

Let's see, why would the teenage mother who gave birth only seven days ago be tired at noon? Maybe, like millions of other brand new moms, she slept when she had the chance.

25 posted on 04/14/2010 4:22:24 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: historyrepeatz

I have experienced this as well. I had another Chow, a mix, named red dog. I also adopted this guy off the hard streets of New Orleans, however, he was much nicer than the other chow.

I had red dog for 9 years before he started to go down hill. He was basically just a big, red lump that sat on the carpet all day, but then he got bad cataracts, and started to go blind. As a result, anytime anyone passed him up, he would bite out at them as they passed, snapping teeth, but he would miss everytime. He just didn’t know who it was next to him.

This type of aggression was never in his personality prior to losing his sight. One time, while I was out of town, my mom had come to feed him, and he growled at her. This, sadly, was all I could allow.


26 posted on 04/14/2010 4:26:41 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Chet 99

She should never have been sleeping with the baby in her bed anyway. Infants get smothered that way. Why was he not in his crib?


27 posted on 04/14/2010 4:56:39 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ( 0bama: Our first AINO president)
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To: familyop; Chet 99

I wonder if the pit bull owners will be posting happy hippo images and jokes in this thread.
~~~
I doubt it will take very long,,,

This woman mite have been on strong pain meds from giving

birth,,,

Very sad...


28 posted on 04/14/2010 5:03:15 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: FrdmLvr

My children slept by my side for the first few months...I never would have slept, otherwise.
Poor kid; I hope the young couple can pull through this.


29 posted on 04/14/2010 6:00:32 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: TNdandelion

That’s where responsible fathers come in.

A responsible father would have gotten rid of the dog before the baby arrived. Or at least made sure that there was no way the dog would dog could come in contact with the baby.


30 posted on 04/14/2010 6:10:33 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: historyrepeatz
Only post 10 and already the jackass's speak about the mothers fault...If you had a brain in your head it would rattle...With a 7 DAY old baby all you get is naps for the first couple of months....Some of you know nothing jerks have a mother out partying until 3 am...You all should get out of your parents basement sometime and get a life....death of a 7DAY old baby is no fu**ing joke..

Now its time for the loony hippo posts to start. To hell with the fact that a pit killed another child...

31 posted on 04/14/2010 6:13:57 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Shimmer1

Was that how it was when you had a newborn?


32 posted on 04/14/2010 6:17:00 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: TNdandelion

Mine did—all three times. Didn’t take me long to realize that if I slept when the baby slept life was fine.

I think her age (Maturity, responsibility, etc) had more to do with it than anything else. I wonder where her family is?

It didn’t matter if I was 23, 26 or (”honey SURPRISE!”) 36, if my sons whimpered, I was awake.


33 posted on 04/14/2010 6:21:28 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Just another loony nationalistic egotist.)
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To: goat granny

It IS the mother’s fault. I don’t need to know “the rest of the story”. I’ll bet she’s a hip-hop white girl without a clue but I’m sure that’s changed now. Too late.


34 posted on 04/14/2010 6:30:18 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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35 posted on 04/14/2010 6:31:42 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

You are a blithering idiot...Judge Jury and executioner with out a brain in your head and no evidence for your opinion....Bet you also think OJ was innocent.. :O)


36 posted on 04/14/2010 6:34:30 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Hey, no personal attacks here on FR, unless they’re aimed at public figures. They’re fair game. (By the way, I knew O.J. did it the morning Nicole’s body was discovered. Who else had the motive? That was a crime of passion. She was nearly decapitated. Only someone with an emotional investment would’ve done that, and O.J.’s “search for the REAL killer” never occurred and for good reason— HE DID IT).


37 posted on 04/14/2010 6:41:59 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

By the way, people.. Read the article. It states that the mother answered a knock at the door and THEN noticed her baby was mauled. Wouldn’t the normal response be to acknowledge the baby PRIOR to answering the door? WTF?


38 posted on 04/14/2010 6:46:33 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

You can hit the abuse button and have my post deleted or have me banned if your so sure your posts don’t make you sound like a B I


39 posted on 04/14/2010 7:13:26 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Wow...very un-FReeper like response. Vulgar and crude.

You must be new around here.

I feel bad for the baby but let me just say...a 16 y/o mother, a trailer in Moon Lake, and a pit bull in the house will rarely end well.

It’s a tragedy from the get-go.


40 posted on 04/14/2010 7:26:41 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: Shimmer1

I’ve got four kids. I would not have slept through such an attack, and would not have slept till noon. This is a careless mother. She is a party to the crime.


41 posted on 04/14/2010 7:32:48 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Chet 99; cripplecreek; Scotsman will be Free; oldenuff2no; historyrepeatz; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; ...
A pit bull terrier fatally mauled a 7-day-old baby Wednesday as the child apparently lay next to his sleeping teenage mother.

. . . using the term "sleeping" very, VERY loosely.

In real English, she was "dead drunk", or "crashed after a meth binge", or something along those lines.

If, as some posters have suggested, she was taking strong pain meds due to post-birth pain, she certainly had no business sleeping next to the baby in the same bed. If a snarling pit bull mauling her screaming baby isn't going to wake her up, you can be sure that the little baby struggling to breathe after she's rolled over on top of it wouldn't wake her up either.

I hope police took a blood sample from her very quickly.

42 posted on 04/14/2010 8:00:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: goat granny

Yes, I slept lighter. I can’t imagine sleeping through a baby’s scream. I just don’t want to blame her for drugs or something. It just hurts hearing of this as it is.
I have a month old granddaughter. I am so thankful my grand is taken care of and is secure and safe.


43 posted on 04/14/2010 8:08:30 PM PDT by Shimmer1
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To: GatorGirl
Been on pit bull threads for almost a year. If you think that was vulgar and crude, sorry you grew up in a different neighborhood than I did...That was a very good post to the remarks that were made...imho.. didn't use one swear word although I did partially spell one...
44 posted on 04/14/2010 8:53:59 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: historyrepeatz

A heavy lead supplement in every pit bull would prevent kids from being killed by them.


45 posted on 04/14/2010 11:29:55 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: goat granny

Based on the story, I would say that you have no more info than anyone else, but you have no problem getting on a soapbox and bloviating away with your opinion.
Based on the story it is just as likely, if not more so, that the “mother” was drunk, stoned or both. Or killed the kid and had the dog chew it up afterwards.
Speaking of getting out of the basement, you may wish to get out of yours and see what too many sixteen year old girls with a newborn living with a guy with a pitbull are really like.
They ain’t pioneers and it ain’t 1840.


46 posted on 04/15/2010 3:23:14 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Salamander; shibumi; kanawa

http://suncoastpasco.tbo.com/content/2010/apr/15/dog-killed-week-old-boy-be-euthanized-today/

Interesting...Yesterday he was a 90lb pit bull terrier, today he’s a 45-50lb mix who was fighting with another dog in the house when the cops arrived; pending euthanasia in case they need a cast of the dog’s teeth.

Hmmm...


47 posted on 04/15/2010 9:04:40 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

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48 posted on 04/15/2010 3:43:15 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: LongElegantLegs
The 90lb claim in the original article caught my attention.

Further searching turned up the following photo
that seems to me to show a mix breed and indications of fighting...


49 posted on 04/15/2010 4:59:45 PM PDT by kanawa
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~snip~

Sidon, whose estimated weight was between 45 and 50 pounds, left more than 50 puncture wounds in tiny Thomas Carter Jr. The baby’s mother, 16-year-old Nicole Koezeno, awoke when a friend stopped by the family’s mobile home at 10548 Olsen St. around 11:45 a.m. and found her bloodied son. She had been sleeping in the same bedroom with the baby and dog but reportedly did not hear the attack.

When a Pasco Animal Services officer arrived at the home Wednesday afternoon, the canine was fighting another dog, said agency Manager Denise Hilton.

Hilton said she was told by a canine attack expert that it’s highly unusual for a dog to continue being aggressive after a first attack.

“This dog has numerous injuries and bites all over its body due the dog fight,” she said early today.
Sidon, Hilton said, was not neutered.

“This, again, was an intact male dog, which tend to be more aggressive,” she said. “He should’ve been neutered before he was a year old.”

~snip~

“This is something that never should’ve happened,” Hilton said of the latest attack. “People need to realize the potential of these animals. They are animals. They’re not people.”

Jim Crosby, division manager for Bay County Animal Control in the Panama City area, has studied fatal dog attacks throughout the country and in Canada. He said that fatal dog attacks are rare.

“It’s incredibly uncommon,” he said today. “You have about a 10-time higher likelihood of dying from slipping in your bathtub.”

So far this year, either eight or nine fatal dog attacks have been reported nationwide, he said. That number is on par for the annual average of less than 30.

For example, Crosby said, compare that to the average of about 60 people who die annually from bee stings.

“Most of the victims of the fatal attacks are children,” he said. “…Over time, about 76 percent of all fatal dog attack victims are 12 and under and most of those are 6 and under.”

Of the dozens of cases he’s investigated, he has seen some similarities.

“The most common denominator with fatal attacks is lack of supervision with children and dogs,” Crosby said.

And it’s not necessarily any one breed that is the culprit of most attacks. In fact, he said, he’s seen everything from pit bulls to dachshunds to Pomeranians kill humans.

“I would say that big dogs tend to be more commonly involved than little dogs,” he conceded, adding that the dogs’ sizes made more serious damage easier. “It’s a matter of physics.”

Why dogs attack differs, he said.

“Every one of them varies a little bitm just like a homicide,” he said, noting that some are just born a little off mentally.

“You get dogs that are the Ted Bundys.”

In many cases, he said, the dog that becomes aggressive has not been properly socialized, trained or loved.

And in most cases, he said, it’s not simply that a dog just snaps – something provokes or triggers it.

“It’s extremely rare for a dog to just go off,” Crosby said. “Something gets the ball rolling.”

In other cases, the dog thinks it’s playing.

“In many cases, it appears the dog thought the child is a chew toy,” Crosby said matter-of-factly.

What caused Sidon to attack Thomas Carter Jr. might never be known.

A question that remains on many people’s minds is why his young mother did not hear the attack.

“I’ve been confronted by plenty of aggressive dogs and I’ve never been confronted by a silent dog,” he said. “I can’t imagine a child sleeping through a mauling. A baby is born screaming.”

A friend who stayed over the family’s home said Tuesday she heard the baby cry briefly a few minutes before he was found. But roommate Jonathan Gibson, who was asleep on the other end of the small mobile home, said he didn’t hear any “vicious sounds.”

“Only the good Lord above knows what really happened inside that room, and it’s just a tragic accident,” Gibson said.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/apr/15/dog-killed-week-old-boy-be-euthanized-today/


50 posted on 04/15/2010 5:18:59 PM PDT by kanawa
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