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Pit Bull Owners Defend Breed After Dog Fighting Bust
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Posted on 04/17/2010 3:57:54 PM PDT by Chet 99

Updated: April 14, 2010

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. - Tuesday’s dog fighting bust is just the latest incident surrounding the controversial breed.

These pit bulls were trained to fight and now face an uncertain future.

People who own the breed say that’s not their nature.

One group is determined to prove that image isn’t everything. A whiff and a sniff—just like any other dog.

Only these are the much maligned pit bull.

Their owners say they are just like any other dog.

“They’re full of life, full of fun,” said Lee Nolan, founder of The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club. “They’re hilarious to watch.“ Lee Nolan started The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club two years ago, in part to change the way people think about the breed.

The problem is dog fighting busts like the one in Duplin County and a few months ago in Greene County involved pit bulls—dogs that were trained to attack.

“It hurts a lot because these dogs are wonderful animals and I hate to see anything happen to them,“ said Samantha Tye, a pit bull owner and trainer. It’s not clear what will happen to the pit bulls recovered in the Duplin County dog fighting bust. These fans of the breed say they deserve a second chance. “They’re naturally born to be a protector,” Nolan said. “So, you’re brainwashing the dog to be a fighter, to fight for its life all the time. So, it’s always on that fight or flight, do or die, kill or be killed mode.“ Dog trainers like Samantha Tye say pit bulls trained to fight can change their behavior.

However, it takes time.

Up to a year and a half and there are no guarantees.

“I’ve had dogs that have been fighting dogs that are terrified of everything, just sit in a corner and cower because they’re just, they were destroyed,“ Tye said.

In the world of pit bulls, there are lovers and there are fighters.

While technically the same species, they can be a breed apart.


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1 posted on 04/17/2010 3:57:55 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: JoeProBono

African Pit Bull, with his loving owner at his side

2 posted on 04/17/2010 3:59:14 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

3 posted on 04/17/2010 4:01:58 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Chet 99

4 posted on 04/17/2010 4:04:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
Keep your dogs away from toddlers


5 posted on 04/17/2010 4:06:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Chet 99

Are the Vick brothers or any other NFL players involved?


6 posted on 04/17/2010 4:08:23 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: Chet 99
Toddlers and dogs don't mix


7 posted on 04/17/2010 4:08:39 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Chet 99

8 posted on 04/17/2010 4:09:58 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono; shibumi; Salamander; Slings and Arrows

Gosh, I hope he doesn't lick Cesar's ear off. ;-)

9 posted on 04/17/2010 4:11:35 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms. - Aristotle)
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To: Chet 99

Not worth the effort. Just gas them and be done with it. There are lots of other breeds out there to enjoy that don’t require risking anything.


10 posted on 04/17/2010 4:12:36 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Markos33

Remember me?
11 posted on 04/17/2010 4:14:18 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
pit bulls trained to fight can change their behavior.

These people are delusional.

12 posted on 04/17/2010 4:16:44 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Chet 99

“They’re hilarious to watch.”

Some people should not allow themselves to be interviewed.


13 posted on 04/17/2010 4:17:30 PM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: Chet 99

Pit Bulls speak - we are good dogs!

Most people, who are unfamiliar with the American Pit Bull Terrier, falsely believe that they are dangerous dogs. Unfortunately, Pit Bulls have a bad reputation because of some mean people who have abused their dogs and trained them to be aggressive. Pit Bulls are actually very stable, intelligent, and highly trainable. They are strong athletic dogs, and they require a guardian who is responsible and will give them plenty of exercise and training. They are very loving and loyal and make excellent animal companions.

Little-known facts about Pit Bulls:

Pit Bulls serve as therapy/service dogs. The Chako Rescue Association has Pit Bull therapy dogs in Texas, Utah and California. Helen Keller even had a Pit Bull as her canine companion and helper. Cheyenne and Dakota are a team of hard-working Search-and-Rescue Pit Bulls in Sacramento, California. They play an important role in their community by locating missing people in conjunction with the local Sheriff. In their off-duty hours, they do charity work as therapy dogs.

Petey, the faithful dog on the TV show, The Little Rascals, was a Pit Bull. He spent countless hours with children day after day and never hurt anyone. He was one of the most intelligent Hollywood dogs of all time.

There are quite a few celebrities who have Pit Bulls as members of their family including: Rosie Perez, The Crocodile Hunter, Judd Nelson, Usher, Alicia Silverstone, Cassandra Creech, Sinbad, John Stuart, Amy Jo Johnson, Linda Blair, Vin Diesel, and Bernadette Peters.

Pit Bulls are heroes! America’s first war dog was a Pit Bull named Stubby. He earned several medals during World War I and was honored at the White House. The Ken-L-Ration dog hero of 1993 was a Pit Bull named Weela. She saved 30 people, 29 dogs, 13 horses and a cat during a flood in Southern California. A Pit Bull named Bogart saved a four-year-old child from drowning in a swimming pool in Florida. Dixie, the Pit Bull, was inducted into the Georgia Animal Hall of Fame after she saved some children from a Cottonmouth snake.

Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate!


14 posted on 04/17/2010 4:20:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Chet 99
I've faced hostile pit bulls before. My adopted attitude:


15 posted on 04/17/2010 4:21:15 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: StolarStorm
Just gas them

All Hail Lord StolarStorm, Supreme Arbiter of Life and Death.


16 posted on 04/17/2010 4:22:02 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Chet 99
"Remember me?"

Sure do.

He got too close to a stingray.

17 posted on 04/17/2010 4:22:32 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms. - Aristotle)
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To: Markos33

Daddy died several months ago.


18 posted on 04/17/2010 4:25:14 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: Chet 99
>Remember me?


19 posted on 04/17/2010 4:26:13 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: svcw

Bull shit.

All but one of Vicks’ dog were rehabilitated and are now in loving homes.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dogtown/3684/Overview


20 posted on 04/17/2010 4:27:33 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: JoeProBono

Jeez...you’d think a dog bred to bait bulls would know better.


21 posted on 04/17/2010 4:29:06 PM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: JoeProBono
Get a good look at that collar. I train different types of dogs and all of them are taught to Heel, to walk beside me on a loose leash and no leash at all. Each and every one of them do preform this task at home, out on the street, and in the ring around other dogs. I use my voice and my voice only to restrain fully grown attack trained german shepherds. I can command them to take a bite and I can call them off with only a voice command. I am in control, not them. I completely control working stock dogs with a whistle from a half mile away. I can even work two bordercollies at the same time at that distance. So pitt bull owners, show me some of this with your dogs. What I see is the pit bulls pulling their owners down the street and I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do or the owner who actually believes it is them who is in control.
22 posted on 04/17/2010 4:29:20 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud vet)
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To: Salamander

Believe what you wish, it is delusional to think that dogs who have been trained to fight to death can ever be re trained, and be trusted.


23 posted on 04/17/2010 4:29:29 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: kanawa

Just think.
People read posts like that and judge all conservatives by them.


24 posted on 04/17/2010 4:29:29 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: Salamander

25 posted on 04/17/2010 4:30:26 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: svcw

I watched every single episode of the Vicks series therefore it is not a matter of “believing what I wish”; it is a matter of believing what was true.

Did *you* watch the shows?


26 posted on 04/17/2010 4:32:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: oldenuff2no

27 posted on 04/17/2010 4:32:41 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Salamander

No.


28 posted on 04/17/2010 4:34:13 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: oldenuff2no
What I see is the pit bulls pulling their owners down the street and I have to wonder which is more stupid.

And Lord knows that never happens with other dogs.

How much money have you made testifying in court against pit bulls and their owners?

29 posted on 04/17/2010 4:34:19 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: oldenuff2no

A pinch collar does less harm to a dog than any other type of “choke” training collar.

It works based on the inborn nature of a puppy to behave when its mother gently squeezes its neck.

*Most* dogs, when x-rayed, display cervical damage from “regular” training collars.
[the “corrective yanking” does the damage...even when done with flat “no choke” collars]

A pinch collar requires NO yanking.

Just the tiny bit of acupressure applied changes the dog’s behavior.

The person with that dog is displaying -responsible- behavior because NO dog is “bullet proof” and a dog off lead in public is a disaster waiting to happen.

Oddly enough, the only dog who ever “bit” me was Border Collie.

No pit, Dobe, GSD, Rott, Mastiff [or any other breed, extant] has ever even so much as raised a lip at me.

The only issue I have with that photo is that the owner does *not* have the collar properly placed or shortened to the correct length.


30 posted on 04/17/2010 4:41:57 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: svcw

Thank you for your honesty.

They rerun them periodically.

Try and catch them.

What they did with those dogs was nothing short of miraculous.

[and they do similar “miracles” every day of every year with hundreds of “hopeless” dogs]


31 posted on 04/17/2010 4:44:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: Chet 99

Some people shouldn’t have pits. Just like some people shouldn’t have kids.


32 posted on 04/17/2010 4:47:22 PM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: JoeProBono

BP rises as I look at that.


33 posted on 04/17/2010 4:48:51 PM PDT by kanawa
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34 posted on 04/17/2010 4:49:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: gundog

Tigers are like cats as Pitt Bulls are like dogs.


35 posted on 04/17/2010 4:51:28 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: kanawa

And he’s back making millions again.

Ain’t America great?


36 posted on 04/17/2010 4:52:17 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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37 posted on 04/17/2010 4:54:17 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: historyrepeatz
“They’re full of life, full of fun,” said Lee Nolan

They're full of life.. Someone ELSE'S life sometimes.

38 posted on 04/17/2010 4:56:54 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

39 posted on 04/17/2010 4:57:37 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: historyrepeatz

My pit was always a little embarrassed by the behavior of other dogs. They are a breed apart.


40 posted on 04/17/2010 5:02:39 PM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: oldenuff2no
What I see is the pit bulls pulling their owners down the street and I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do or the owner who actually believes it is them who is in control.

So...the absence of good training and responsible ownership is now a breed flaw?

41 posted on 04/17/2010 5:30:55 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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Really? Because it's happened before...

At the end of the Pacific War, the Marine Corps had 510 war dogs. Of this number, 491 were deprogrammed, a process that could take a year, and returned to their owners, given to their handlers, or returned to the Army, which had provided 41 to the Corps. Only four dogs could not be returned to their masters because, even after extensive retraining, they proved "incorrigible" and were considered to be unsafe for civilian life.

War Dogs on Guam

42 posted on 04/17/2010 5:38:27 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: historyrepeatz

Besides the whole ‘same species’ thing...


43 posted on 04/17/2010 5:39:41 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Only the military has the time to retrain a war dog. Do you have a year? Retraining Pit Bulls is a fools errand.


44 posted on 04/17/2010 6:33:18 PM PDT by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: muleskinner

Right, because the Marines have nothing better to do. Lots of private rescue organizations and the individuals who fund them are willing to devote their time and resources to rehabilitating these dogs, because they know it can be done, and has been done.

Why deny them that?


45 posted on 04/17/2010 6:43:03 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: muleskinner
a fools errand


46 posted on 04/17/2010 6:51:29 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Salamander

Pinch collars, like pit bulls, LOOK scary; therefore everyone who owns one must be a drug-dealing toothless redneck hillbilly trailer-trash no-account backwoods inner city ghetto thug.

Yup.


47 posted on 04/17/2010 7:26:55 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: kanawa

Sweet picture.


48 posted on 04/17/2010 7:27:21 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Funniest stream of obvious incongruities posted, *ever*.


49 posted on 04/17/2010 10:01:46 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Funny how the “attack dog trainer expert” never came back with stats refuting canine cervical damage caused by “nice, pretty” collars, isn’t it?


50 posted on 04/17/2010 10:04:21 PM PDT by Salamander (Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
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