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Optics for an AR
5/22/2010 | Self

Posted on 05/22/2010 8:26:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

I am looking for a holographic sight for my flattop AR. I have looked at the Aimpoint and the EOTech sights and everyone says they are the cream of the crop. Problem is that $500 for a holo sight is a bit much. Can anyone suggest a rugged, reliable, good quality holo sight for a decent price?


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1 posted on 05/22/2010 8:26:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A lot of folks switch optics all the time as their needs evolove or their preferences change. So a lot of good used optics are on the market. You can get an Aimpoint for around $300 used on gun selling sites. Or you can try some of the mostly Chinese “Brand X” stuff in the 100-200 dollar range. Some of them are pretty good, I’m told. I’d steer clear of the 50-100 dollar stuff on CheaperThanDirt etc.

I have an aimpoint, but I’d check the other less expensive stuff on the various forums that do gun reviews.


2 posted on 05/22/2010 8:32:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

c-more sights are 289-300


3 posted on 05/22/2010 8:32:09 AM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Did I say I have an aimpoint? Typing too fast. I have an EOTech.


4 posted on 05/22/2010 8:32:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I understand Bushnell is about to come out with one similar to the EoTech but closer to $300. Keep an eye on eBay. I’ve seen some good values on the EoTechs there.


5 posted on 05/22/2010 8:33:03 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Travis McGee

Yea, I have pretty much determined that the stuff from China is crap.


6 posted on 05/22/2010 8:33:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have Aimpoints and others, but I’ve found the Bushnell Holosight XLP to be very good and a whole lot cheaper.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=641722&t=11082005


7 posted on 05/22/2010 8:34:15 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Travis McGee

I see several different models of EOTech. Which is better for an AR ti be used at 100 yards or less?


8 posted on 05/22/2010 8:34:32 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: umgud

Not available at Midway. Typical.


9 posted on 05/22/2010 8:35:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
This will be a fun thread.

If you look around, you can pick up an EOTech for $350. And if you like the EOTech, then go with it. I got a 551 for $300 a couple of years back, and I found myself surprised at how much I grew to like it over time. The newer models have made it a lot easier to turn them on/off & adjust the reticle intensity.

I also managed to bash it really good once, and it didn't bother it a bit. That's where the cheaper sights will often let you down.


10 posted on 05/22/2010 8:35:18 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

ping


11 posted on 05/22/2010 8:35:56 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Of course, if you really want best of breed, though, the ACOG is the way to go. $;-)
12 posted on 05/22/2010 8:36:33 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You can find these at several outlets. Optics Planet is a good site for browsing optics.


13 posted on 05/22/2010 8:37:07 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Joe Brower

YIKES! Those things cost more than my rifle!


14 posted on 05/22/2010 8:38:40 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: Joe Brower

Actually, you bring up a good point. Is there a good ACOG-type sight for the AR? I used an ACOG in Iraq and loved it, but I just can’t justify the price. Anyone know any good alternatives?


15 posted on 05/22/2010 8:39:04 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At under a hundred yards, NOTHING is faster on target than an EOTech with its “bullseye” reticle. Yet it’s also very accurate out further with its 1 MOA center dot.

Aimpoints need a much bigger center dot, like around 3 MOA, since they have no ring around the dot.

OTOH, it’s hard not to like an Aimpoint, with a battery draw that will last for years “on.”

If that matters, since EOTechs turn themselves off after a few hours if you forget.


16 posted on 05/22/2010 8:39:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I know of a place that has Aimshot (Mfg in Georgia) for aroung $160. Send me a private email if interested.


17 posted on 05/22/2010 8:39:49 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Joe Brower

I don’t spend more on optics than on the guns under them!

But an ACOG is “best of breed.”


18 posted on 05/22/2010 8:40:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mnehring

The Bushnell holosight is basically an EOTech, without the milspec armoring etc.


19 posted on 05/22/2010 8:41:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Future Snake Eater

There are lots of ACOG wannabee clones for sale at Cheaperthandirt etc. in the 150 dollar range. Chinese, IOW.

Not sure how rugged they are.


20 posted on 05/22/2010 8:42:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I always liked the iron sights on the AR-15. I had a Colt scope on my first AR-15, but there was a tiny bit of play between the upper and lower. Not noticeable except it seemed less accurate with the scope than without it.

Someone made a wedge to keep them tight. I never tried it and it seems that today that is not a problem. Still I think I would prefer the iron sights, that is if I had one now.


21 posted on 05/22/2010 8:43:29 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Blood of Tyrants

My EOTech doesn’t have the night vision settings, and it runs on AAs instead of C123s. I can’t remember it’s product number.


22 posted on 05/22/2010 8:49:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Sorry, with sights, money equals quality--for the most part. It's going to cost you $200-300 to get a good sight whether it is one of the electronic wonders, or just a good lensed scope.

If you're going to be going anywhere but fantasy land with your rifle, I wouldn't waste my money on the cheap stuff . . . been there done that and the ones I've tried ain't worth wasting money on.
23 posted on 05/22/2010 8:50:13 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Travis McGee

I bought two of the cheap red dot sights from CDNN. They were Simmons and were only $9.95 on clearance.

Now I have them mounted on a Weirauch air rifle and a good quality Daisy pump up pellet rifle. They actually seem pretty decent for what I am using them for.

Now I would not trust my life to them, but they seem a great buy. The brightness is controllable.

There seems to have been a real technological leap in optical sights in the last 10 years. I suspect most of the cost is making them tough enough for combat use.


24 posted on 05/22/2010 8:52:09 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

NOthing wrong with iron. Worked for marksmen ever since firearms were invented. In many cases, I find that I shoot better with iron sights . . . although the newer electronic wonders appear to be much quicker on target . . . just put the dot on target and pull the trigger.


25 posted on 05/22/2010 8:52:49 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Last year I bought a Bushnell optic that looks very similar to the ACOG, and performs more than good enough for what I use it for. I also like the iron sights that are on top of it. They aren’t perfect irons, but plenty good enough in the event of an optics failure.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019SS8CE/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0000A0AIS&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1M5HJ1MB7CQZ55XRZ69A

I paid $150 for mine. It was a breeze to sight in, and has been very reliable for me over the year that I’ve owned it. If you get one, just remember to turn the damn thing off when you’re done using it. lol

The batteries for it are ‘common’ and inexpensive, by the way.


26 posted on 05/22/2010 8:53:08 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist" - I Hate Mexico)
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To: Travis McGee; Blood of Tyrants
One other thing about the EOTech (and the Aimpoint and other red dot sights): I have found that, outdoors in very bright sunlight, you can lose the reticle even if it's on full. I was surprised to discover this, but living in Florida made this apparent very quickly.

The reticle of an ACOG switches its contrast in real-time to always be visible against whatever the background is. It's always there.

Just my own observation, but I note that in theaters such as Iraq, the guys with the EOTechs and Aimpoints are in the urban/suburban areas, and the guys with ACOGs are out in the open field. Perhaps this is the reason.

27 posted on 05/22/2010 9:04:26 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: mnehring
Keep an eye on eBay. I’ve seen some good values on the EoTechs there.

I'd just add, caveat emptor to that. I read somewhere....maybe ARFCOM that there are some counterfeits out there. Just be careful. There are definately deals to be had out there if you look. Just don't get ripped off.
28 posted on 05/22/2010 9:06:32 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Travis McGee

“EOTechs turn themselves off after a few hours”

That’s the problem. At oh dark thirty I want that sight already on when i grab a rifle, not fiddling around with one more distraction.


29 posted on 05/22/2010 9:10:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ctdonath2
At oh dark thirty I want that sight already on when i grab a rifle, not fiddling around with one more distraction.

Real good time to take a deep breath and decide on a course of action. Chill...rifle in hand...sight on....if you can't do these things in the dark, you've got a problem.

30 posted on 05/22/2010 9:17:30 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Travis McGee; Blood of Tyrants

Travis, you probably have the EOTech Mdl 512...I have the same one...great HWS. Note to Blood of Tyrants: In addition to the EOTech the C-More sights are also quite good and cost less than the EOTechs.

One thing to keep in mind however with regards to Red Dot or Holo sites is how old your eyes are. I’ve found that if your hauling middle-aged eyes around in your head and things are a bit blurry these days, regardless of whether you whether contact lens or glasses you may still have some bluriness on the red dot or the HWS reticles.

You might want to find a friend (or go to an indoor range where you can rent AR’s, etc), and try the different sights out before you spend a lot of money on one.

I’m an FFL and have mounted a number of optics. My advise is to try a bunch out before investing and see which one works best given your particular eyesight, shooting platform and shooting needs).


31 posted on 05/22/2010 9:31:05 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Travis McGee; All

Do you have the NVG-compatible EOTech? If so, what NVG?

Let’s piggyback the What NVG / NV Optic? question onto this thread.


32 posted on 05/22/2010 9:35:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Joe Brower

I have a bible verse ACOG........TA31D with the Docter on top !

http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Trijicon_ACOG_TA31_ECOS_A.jpg

Use it for 3 Gun competition and as a PDW of course.

EOTech is on my shopping list yet just haven’t got a round tuit yet......:o)


33 posted on 05/22/2010 9:38:20 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Joe Brower

I have a bible verse ACOG........TA31D with the Docter on top !

http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Trijicon_ACOG_TA31_ECOS_A.jpg

Use it for 3 Gun competition and as a PDW of course.

EOTech is on my shopping list yet just haven’t got a round tuit yet......:o)


34 posted on 05/22/2010 9:39:23 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
OK, I know it is not an AR and also know it is not an expensive sight but for knocking around the back yard and surroundings it is about perfect. I keep a small caliber but accurate auto in my pocket but nearly every time, this or a similar gun is all that is needed to quickly shoot a rat, cottonmouth etc. It keeps your reflexes and shooting eye in practice. I just walked out in the back yard and took this pic. From a rest and using H&N match pellets, it will keep everything in one large hole at maybe 50 feet. Photobucket
35 posted on 05/22/2010 9:40:31 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee

you can pick up LNIB Eotech 512 @ ar15.com for 300.00 bucks....

i picked up 2 at that price.....actually 1 was a 557.

They are fine optics....

ebay has them as well, NIB after cash back for 325 - 350...


36 posted on 05/22/2010 9:43:40 AM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: Squantos

OK, get shopping. No more excuses. $:-)

37 posted on 05/22/2010 9:52:10 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

I knew it....a round tuit !........:o)


38 posted on 05/22/2010 10:31:31 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee
My EOTech doesn’t have the night vision settings, and it runs on AAs instead of C123s.

That is what I have on my M-4gery.

Yankee Hill rail mounted folding iron sights:

http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/sights.html

co-witness nicely.

39 posted on 05/22/2010 10:53:28 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
My Company makes the Eotech.

What am I using? The Hakko Electropoint


40 posted on 05/22/2010 10:56:36 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: umgud
I have a PLR16 just like that and I'm looking for that optic. Where did you get it and what was the cost if I might ask? I just installed an awesome holster for this in my Jeep. The company custom made the thing and it only cost me $100 including shipping. SEAT CARRY
41 posted on 05/22/2010 11:00:28 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Joe Brower

The ACOG is also magnified, whereas the EOTech and Aimpoint aren’t (unless you get the $500 3x magnifier).

My TA31RCO-A4 is mounted on my 20 inch model AR-15. I have the EOTech 552 XR308 on my AR-10 rifle. Sprang for the EOTech 4x magnifier for that one as well. My M-4gery sports the Aimpoint M2, with the 3x available when I need it.

The ACOG is my favorite, but I need to get a Docter red dot to mount on top for closer in shots.

Pretty much can’t go wrong with any of them. Expensive? Yes. But I wouldn’t trust my life with any of the cheaper stuff.


42 posted on 05/22/2010 11:08:30 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have an Aimpoint on my AR and it certainly is a very good one. Truth be told I'd have preferred the ACOG but it was out of my price range.

That being said I've got a couple of the Bushnell's, too. One is on my wife's Mini-14 and the other is on a Mossberg shotgun.

Since they were 1/10th the price of the Aimpoint I pretty much consider them to be disposable. I've already got a back up unit for them.

L

43 posted on 05/22/2010 11:08:43 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have an EOTech 511 on one of my rifles and don't really like it that much. It's OK, but here are the problems:

1. The reticle in the HUD is too big for accurate shooting outside of what it was designed for: Under 200 yards and CQB.

2. The reticle washes out easily in daylight unless you have the brightness cranked up to max ('11'). When it's at max, the reticle gets even bigger and fuzzier, reducing your visible range.

3. The EOTech is a battery eater no matter which model you get. If you're going to get one, get the one with CR123 batteries.

4. My older model has control buttons mounted on the rear. That's annoying. They relocated the buttons to the side, which is better.

5. My first EOTech burnt up. It was one of the models that had a short circuit problem and died in about 80 rounds fired. They replaced it no questions asked and were fast about it.

Good thing is that I didn't spend a HUGE amount of money on the EOTech, but if all you need to do is throw up a red dot in your field of view to aim with, a C-More sight can do just as well for about $100. The best single red dot is an Aimpoint. They run for thousands of hours off the battery and some guys don't even bother to turn them off with the switch.

My favorite and hands down best sight that I have is a Trijicon ACOG TA31F.

44 posted on 05/22/2010 11:13:26 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Joe Brower

Well, the ACOG is also 4X, so it makes more sense in open country for that reason also.


45 posted on 05/22/2010 11:14:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ctdonath2

You push one button and the light’s on. As simple as flicking the safety, and quicker than chambering a round. ANd if it’s point blank and that much of a hurry, the EOTech makes a big “ghost ring sight” if you just need to blast somebody at under 50 yards.


46 posted on 05/22/2010 11:16:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Trying lots of sights is a good reason to go to big gun shows and visit lots of shops. Any decent gun shop should be happy to let you pull them out of boxes and fire them up. If they won’t, go elsewhere.


47 posted on 05/22/2010 11:18:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: FreedomPoster

My M-4gery’s EOTech is not NVG compatible. But it does have a laser. If I can see the target I can shoot it. If I can’t....I can’t.


48 posted on 05/22/2010 11:19:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: MileHi

I have a MAGPUL BUIS behind my EOTEch, also cowitnessed on the front post. So I’m still used to the irons, in that my eye position with the red dot still puts the target on top of the front post sight. Kind of keeps the irons in the game, if your EOTech goes down and you have to flip up the BUIS. Everything is in the same position.


49 posted on 05/22/2010 11:21:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

There are 100 buck magnifiers you can get. I can’t see paying 500 bucks for a magnifier that just magnifies, with no reticle etc to worry about.


50 posted on 05/22/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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