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New Mexico residents fed up with big-mouth actor Val Kilmer
American Thinker ^ | 06/20/2010 | David Paulin

Posted on 06/21/2010 7:04:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What goes around comes around -- even for Hollywood snobs and elitists. Big-mouth Hollywood actor Val Kilmer is finding that out in New Mexico, where a number of residents are upset over incendiary remarks the Hollywood pretty boy has made over the years about veterans and rural life in northern New Mexico. Now, they're giving Kilmer a hard time over his efforts to obtain permits needed to turn his sprawling ranch outside Santa Fe into an upscale bed-and-breakfast.

What, especially, are the locals so upset about? The Wall Street Journal provides details in an article today, "New Mexico v. Val Kilmer: Payback Time":

Mr. Kilmer, who starred in "Tombstone," "The Doors," "Batman Forever" and, more recently, "MacGruber," was quoted-misquoted, he says-describing his rugged corner of New Mexico as "the homicide capital of the Southwest."

He went on to avow that "80% of the people in my county are drunk," requiring him to carry a gun for protection. That was in a 2003 interview with Rolling Stone.

In Esquire two years later, Mr. Kilmer was quoted-again, misquoted, he says-opining that he understands Vietnam better than its veterans, because most of them were "borderline criminal or poor ... wretched kids" who landed in the military because they "got beat up by their dads" or "couldn't finagle a scholarship."

At a hearing last month on Mr. Kilmer's application, a half-dozen locals and veterans demanded the star apologize before being allowed to welcome paying guests onto his Pecos River Ranch. The county attorney, Jesus Lopez, backed them up. Mr. Kilmer's quotes were "incendiary" and, dated as they may be, created a "clear and present danger threatening public safety," he said.

Now surprisingly, Kilmer is getting support from the local ACLU. According to the WSJ, the rights watchdog declared that "whether or not (Kilmer) had actually talked trash about his county, he had every right to do so without fear that his permits would be held hostage."

A second hearing is scheduled for this Wednesday on Kilmer's quest for his needed permits. Some of the locals are hoping he'll apologize at that hearing. "It's a situation that's pretty volatile," David Salazar, chair of the Board of County Commissioners, told the The Journal.




TOPICS: Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: actor; celebrity; newmexico; valkilmer; wtfiiwnm

1 posted on 06/21/2010 7:04:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: All

Another Hollyweird lib skank.


2 posted on 06/21/2010 7:09:41 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

In before pics of a “Bed and Breakfast” full of popcorn.


3 posted on 06/21/2010 7:13:29 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe he should get some advice from Joe McGinniss re: dealing with pissy locals...


4 posted on 06/21/2010 7:14:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind
According to the WSJ, the rights watchdog declared that "whether or not (Kilmer) had actually talked trash about his county, he had every right to do so without fear that his permits would be held hostage."

I gotta agree with the ACLU here, but so what, torment him anyway.

5 posted on 06/21/2010 7:16:04 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SeekAndFind

B list actor with C list intellect.


6 posted on 06/21/2010 7:16:49 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: SeekAndFind
“80% of the people in my county are drunk,” requiring him to carry a gun for protection

In Vino Veritas....I'm your Huckleberry....Your no Daisey...your no Daisey at all...I'm in my prime...

7 posted on 06/21/2010 7:17:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...he understands Vietnam better than its veterans, because most of them were “borderline criminal or poor ... wretched kids” who landed in the military because they “got beat up by their dads” or “couldn’t finagle a scholarship.”

This is your brain on KoolAid!

Someday Val ought to pick up a book on the subject of Viet Nam.... even one book would be nice because it is obvious that he never actually introduced himself to the facts.

But … before you shoot off your mouth. about ANYTHING on earth, it is a good idea to do some homework! Only Hollywood creeps don’t seem to comprehend this.


8 posted on 06/21/2010 7:18:05 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: SeekAndFind

...he says-describing his rugged corner of New Mexico as “the homicide capital of the Southwest.”

Geez, who would want to spend a weekend in the homicide capital of the Southwest? This Kilmer dude is one smart businessman.


9 posted on 06/21/2010 7:20:52 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s a libtard,to be sure.

However, forcing a man to say or “unsay” anything in order to get a permit is, frankly, a little scary.


10 posted on 06/21/2010 7:21:41 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SeekAndFind
he had every right to do so without fear that his permits would be held hostage

What right? He has the right to say whatever he wants. He also has to take his consequences of what he says. His comments hurt the image of his county. The elected officials of his county have the right to protect the business interests of the county. By denying his a zoning approval, the business interests of the county might be helped.

12 posted on 06/21/2010 7:22:31 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: SMARTY
Val's Julliard Education is not serving him well currently.

The farther he gets away from Hollywierd the better for him. Northern New Mexico is just the place to escape to and Val has the $$ to make it so.

13 posted on 06/21/2010 7:22:52 AM PDT by x_plus_one (a crude, bigoted, xenophobic display of partisan political Presidential petulance..........)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why is it ‘surprising’ the ACLU is backing an America bashing liberal? Have they, or would they, backed/back a far right radical in similar circumstances? Now that would be ‘surprising’.


14 posted on 06/21/2010 7:24:01 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: aloishammer

anything he does with his property has an impact on the community at large, just like his remarks do.


15 posted on 06/21/2010 7:25:21 AM PDT by tioga
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To: x_plus_one

I keep forgetting that for Liberals, F A C T S are totally incidental. For Conservatives, facts are all in all!


16 posted on 06/21/2010 7:25:46 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: SMARTY
its veterans, because most of them were “borderline criminal

Give him a break, the only vets he has met have Albore and John Kerry.

17 posted on 06/21/2010 7:26:08 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: SeekAndFind
he understands Vietnam better than its veterans, because most of them were "borderline criminal or poor ... wretched kids" who landed in the military because they "got beat up by their dads" or "couldn't finagle a scholarship."

Did you know that John Kerry served in Vietnam?


18 posted on 06/21/2010 7:27:19 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I don’t agree.

Sure, let him take the consequences from his neighbors, his family, or his friends (if he still has any).

When the government demands such an apology, it’s censorship, pure and simple.


19 posted on 06/21/2010 7:29:30 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SeekAndFind

“Big mouth actor”

Tautology

Like saying “Slimy fish,” “Little shrimp,” “Wet water.”


20 posted on 06/21/2010 7:29:48 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: razorback-bert

And THOSE two ARE criminals


21 posted on 06/21/2010 7:29:49 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro

WTFIIWVK?


22 posted on 06/21/2010 7:30:12 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Vaquero
In Vino Veritas....I'm your Huckleberry....Your no Daisey...your no Daisey at all...I'm in my prime...

It's really a pity, I liked him as Doc Holiday. That performance was a tour de force and I thought he deserved an OSCAR for that.

Many talented actors are really foolish people in real life.
23 posted on 06/21/2010 7:30:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MrEdd

24 posted on 06/21/2010 7:30:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: tioga

Sure.
So, let the hearings and the permit be based on the property impact, not his constutionally-protected opinion.


25 posted on 06/21/2010 7:31:04 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

it would seem that the locals he has been dissing have the power to approve or disapprove his planning and zoning applications. good luck to him. those things can get very messy on the local levels, been there done that.


26 posted on 06/21/2010 7:37:02 AM PDT by tioga
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To: SeekAndFind

2007 statistics show that AZ had a murder rate of 7.4 per 100K, Utah 2.2, Nevada 7.5, New Mexico 8.2, Colorado 3.1, and California 6.2.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0297.pdf

He is correct on at least one of his statements. But why does NM have such a rate even compared to CA?


27 posted on 06/21/2010 7:41:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sloth

One of the best portrayals of Jacques Kerry.


28 posted on 06/21/2010 7:45:37 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: SeekAndFind; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; CedarDave; CougarGA7; elkfersupper
Big-mouth Hollywood actor Val Kilmer is finding that out in New Mexico, where a number of residents are upset over incendiary remarks the Hollywood pretty boy has made over the years about veterans and rural life in northern New Mexico.

WTFIIW... actually,I'm with the New Mexicans on this one.

29 posted on 06/21/2010 7:46:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

New Mexico is just another Mexico but located in the U.S. It’s run by Mexicans and is just as corrupt as the real Mexico.


30 posted on 06/21/2010 7:46:51 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He went on to avow that "80% of the people in my county are drunk," requiring him to carry a gun for protection.

That is true in our County also, and well over half of that crowd are hispanic immigrants (illegal or otherwise), confirmed by private talk with the local LEO's.

The ACLU is also correct in this case. What Mr. Kilmer has opinionated here has nothing to do with his property rights or appeal. It is called free speech. That is to say it is the judge (Lopez) who is the incipient bigot here.

For those who have not been to New Mexico or Arizona lately, these are the trashiest States in the union. Go out to the four corners area, the Navajo Reservation; in the middle of extensive plano there is trash as far as the eye can see. This apparently is the values of those inhabiting the region.

Repeat, the vast stretches of reservation in Arizona and New Mexico are trashed far beyond civility, and respect for American soil.

I do not personally know Val Kilmer but with respect to the land I would say exactly what he has said. Vietnam, a different story, for I have friends, college graduates, killed and maimed in such.

The point is, one must face the facts, beyond the bigotry of personal attachment or dislike. Barack Obama, advancing a bigoted political agenda, being the perfect example: he can say all he wants, but he should never have been a President (and was made so by sinister underlying forces).

31 posted on 06/21/2010 7:48:36 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kilmer is just like any other celebrity. First they seek fame, then they seek relevance. Most fail in the latter attempt. - OB1


32 posted on 06/21/2010 7:50:02 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now surprisingly, Kilmer is getting support from the local ACLU. According to the WSJ, the rights watchdog declared that "whether or not (Kilmer) had actually talked trash about his county, he had every right to do so without fear that his permits would be held hostage."

As much as I hate to admit it, he does have the right to say what he wants. You can't selectively apply the 1st amendment, even though the ACLU and other lefties do it with conservatives all the time.

33 posted on 06/21/2010 7:56:33 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Auntie Mame

So how long before NM is annexed back to Mexico?


34 posted on 06/21/2010 7:57:15 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: patriot08

Val Kilmer is a guy.


35 posted on 06/21/2010 7:59:40 AM PDT by Borges
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To: tioga

I agree.
Officially, it should never be government policy to equate permits with speech.

Unoficially, however, these things happen.


36 posted on 06/21/2010 8:03:24 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Borges

I know..
Can’t call a guy a skank?


37 posted on 06/21/2010 8:03:33 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SMARTY
In Esquire two years later, Mr. Kilmer was quoted-again, misquoted, he says-opining that he understands Vietnam better than its veterans, because most of them were "borderline criminal or poor ... wretched kids" who landed in the military because they "got beat up by their dads" or "couldn't finagle a scholarship."

Actually, he was being kind here, as he left out "their Daddy couldn't find a National Guard unit for them to hide out in".

I suspect he has Elite Republican feelings. (See GW Bush - Little Danny Quayle)

38 posted on 06/21/2010 8:04:05 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating Heart)
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To: Sloth
And so didn't Blumenthal.

LIES!!
Blumenthal says he 'misspoke' about Vietnam service

39 posted on 06/21/2010 8:07:53 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Play it, Sam, for old times' sake, play 'As Time Goes By'.")
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To: SeekAndFind

It is getting a little scary to think that for someone to get the requisite permits to improve their property they must be subject to a litmus test to see whether they have the correct thoughts and actions.

To be put through a wringer and made to voice or print apologies to get permits is beyond the pale.


40 posted on 06/21/2010 8:09:09 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some of the comments here are pretty funny and to be honest a little scary. Seems some “conservatives” can be just as jack booted as the left.

I wonder what these same people would be saying if it was Ted Nugent and his permits were being held up because of his criticism of Obama?


41 posted on 06/21/2010 8:37:05 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: SeekAndFind

“80% of the people in my county are drunk,”

My husband lived in N.M. for five years, and was hit 6 times by drunk drivers. There is a problem.


42 posted on 06/21/2010 8:47:10 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Every time a liberal whines, an angel gets his wings.)
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To: Bob J

Perhaps people are SICK AND TIRED of having celebs treat this country like their little playground? That they are sick of being bashed by these brainless idiots? That they are SICK and TIRED of having our troops bashed, veterans bashed, values bashed, everything bashed? These idiots have gotten away with far too much to long.


43 posted on 06/21/2010 9:10:22 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: SeekAndFind; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...

NM list PING!

(The NM list is available on my FR homepage for anyone to use. Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)

44 posted on 06/21/2010 11:38:54 AM PDT by CedarDave (Arrogant Obama on tax day protesters: "YouÂ’d think they would be saying 'Thank You!'.")
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To: Niuhuru

“Perhaps people are SICK AND TIRED of having celebs treat this country like their little playground? That they are sick of being bashed by these brainless idiots? That they are SICK and TIRED of having our troops bashed, veterans bashed, values bashed, everything bashed? These idiots have gotten away with far too much to long.”

I don’t like it either, the thing to do is boycott them. Holding up their permits is stupid and quite frankly, illegal.


45 posted on 06/21/2010 12:13:10 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J

Well, it’s about time that someone dish something out to them.


46 posted on 06/21/2010 12:29:06 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

here’s an iea, how about throwing their umbrella out the window and praying for rain?


47 posted on 06/21/2010 12:36:24 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Auntie Mame

New Mexico is very misunderstood as a state; but I am happy about that- it keeps folks from flocking in here to ruin it. NM is surely not as screwed up as CA, that is for sure. NM is not another Mexico, not by a long shot.


48 posted on 06/21/2010 1:13:27 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just another Hollywood punk with money.

He gets paid for wearing clothes that other people choose for him, saying words that other people write for him to say while pretending to be someone he is not.
49 posted on 06/21/2010 6:19:27 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
...they're giving Kilmer a hard time over his efforts to obtain permits needed to turn his sprawling ranch outside Santa Fe into an upscale bed-and-breakfast... Mr. Kilmer, who starred in "Tombstone," "The Doors," "Batman Forever" and, more recently, "MacGruber," ...describing his rugged corner of New Mexico as "the homicide capital of the Southwest." He went on to avow that "80% of the people in my county are drunk," requiring him to carry a gun for protection. That was in a 2003 interview with Rolling Stone. In Esquire two years later... opining that he understands Vietnam better than its veterans, because most of them were "borderline criminal or poor ... wretched kids" who landed in the military because they "got beat up by their dads" or "couldn't finagle a scholarship." ...The county attorney, Jesus Lopez, backed them up. Mr. Kilmer's quotes were "incendiary" and, dated as they may be, created a "clear and present danger threatening public safety," he said. Now surprisingly, Kilmer is getting support from the local ACLU.
Does he have a *permit* for that gun? ;') Thanks SeekAndFind.
50 posted on 06/28/2010 5:45:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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