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Freon can KILL you
7/12/2010 | Self

Posted on 07/12/2010 12:47:45 PM PDT by rstrahan

We all take automotive refrigerant (R-12/R-134) as part of the car. But this stuff can KILL YOU. Found out the hard way. Wife was in the car, AC failed, dumped all the freon into the cabin of the car. She got a big shot of it. 30 minutes later, she is very dizzy, very sick. An hour, she's flat on the floor, throwing up blood. Got her to the ER, they started work. She's home now and recovering. But if we had not got her to the ER, she could have died. You do research, the medical articles say "if you survive 72 hours". YIKES.

So, if you get exposed to this stuff, get to the ER immediately. It is NOTHING TO FOOL AROUND WITH.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: asphyxia; freon; health; poisoning
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To: rstrahan; camerongood210

“There were kids back in high school that used to huff this stuff to get a high.”

Ype, I mean “yep”. :(


21 posted on 07/12/2010 1:01:37 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
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22 posted on 07/12/2010 1:02:45 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (He's just a clueless hump. A dangerous clueless hump.)
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To: rstrahan

Glad you’re wife is ok, rstrahan. I hope there are no lingering effects. :~)


23 posted on 07/12/2010 1:03:05 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: loungitude

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/poison_gas_and_world_war_one.htm

Phosgene is about 3/4 the way down. Nasty.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 1:04:03 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: RobRoy

See post #24


25 posted on 07/12/2010 1:04:50 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: rstrahan

Burn it as it comes out of the can with a propane torch and you have mustard gas.


26 posted on 07/12/2010 1:12:11 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: rstrahan

Burn it as it comes out of the can with a propane torch and you have mustard gas... actually, phosgene which is very similar.

I would not advise it.


27 posted on 07/12/2010 1:13:32 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

Because of the war crimes charges you’d receive?


28 posted on 07/12/2010 1:17:54 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: MileHi

Yes, phosgene was one of the very nasty gases used in WWI.

‘Freon’ also breaks down to HFl. hydrofluoric acid. Another very nasty chemical.

Having worked around ‘freon’ and torches many times I can tell you one whiff of either will almost knock you down.
Ever struck a match and got a whiff of sulphur dioxide? Takes you aback. Similar to HFL and phosgene.


29 posted on 07/12/2010 1:23:55 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Nervous Tick
“Ask your doctor if Freon is right for you.”

That's funny right there, I don't care who ya are.
30 posted on 07/12/2010 1:23:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: A_perfect_lady
It could be from asphyxia - it displaces air.

The lubricating oils that are used with R-134 are synthetic and are more toxic than the mineral oil R-12 used.

Neither is something you'd want to breathe in. I can't stand the PAG or Ester oils on my fingers, they absorb the moisture and cause the outer layer of skin to fluff off, so I wear chemical barrier gloves when handling it.

31 posted on 07/12/2010 1:27:29 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: rstrahan

So glad your lovely wife is safe and sound!


32 posted on 07/12/2010 1:27:52 PM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: Vinnie

Yes. I used to do AC/refrigeration and brazing copper you could see if there was latent freon; it would burn green. I nearly got myself once working in a confined area.

Nothing to fool with.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 1:32:04 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
I used to do AC/refrigeration and brazing copper

Me too. Commercial

34 posted on 07/12/2010 1:36:00 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

I have been hacking control software for about 20 years. Before that I did commercial HVAC. Got out about the time they started all the reclaim stuff.


35 posted on 07/12/2010 1:41:50 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Nervous Tick

I’ve used R-12 for years.. at room temperature, in liquid form, formed the base of a prosthetic adhesive.. gluing latex parts to the body.
Stuffed worked great and as I said, used it regularly for years. Of course its use was banned by the EPA, not the FDA.. for “being dangerous to the OZONE layer.”


36 posted on 07/12/2010 2:04:40 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (The one thing we learn from history is .. People REFUSE to Learn from History!!)
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To: rstrahan
I hope she is ok,,, but freon is not poisonous,,, R22, R-134, 410a, etc,, are all non toxic. But they will displace oxygen and you can suffocate.

Having said that,, there is one situation where it becomes toxic. Freon, in the presence of red hot copper and flame becomes fozgen (spelling?) AKA mustard gas.

I've been in the HVAC biz for three decades. Something else happened here, but it was not just freon. Side note,, stupid kids trying to get high will try stiffing freon,, since it displaces oxygen,, it can kill you.

37 posted on 07/12/2010 2:09:01 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Bon mots
Burn it as it comes out of the can with a propane torch and you have mustard gas.


38 posted on 07/12/2010 2:17:06 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: rstrahan
Our lives are full of materials that are dangerous is misused or dumped out of where they are supposed to be. Life cannot be absolutely safe or insulated from peril.

The stuff sloshing in your gas tank a few feet behind your head is just one example.
39 posted on 07/12/2010 2:31:49 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: rstrahan


40 posted on 07/12/2010 2:49:56 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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