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Origins, Evolution, and Distribution of Life in the Cosmos: Panspermia, Genetics, Microbes, ...
Journal of Cosmology ^ | May 2010 | Rhawn Joseph and Rudolf Schild

Posted on 08/01/2010 2:46:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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Full title is: Origins, Evolution, and Distribution of Life in the Cosmos: Panspermia, Genetics, Microbes, and Viral Visitors From the Stars
1 posted on 08/01/2010 2:46:08 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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"Life originated in a nebular cloud, over 10 billion years ago,"

Depends on how you define the word "life."
I would not call whatever was floating around in that nebular cloud "life," but rather possible chemical precursors necessary for life.

So far we have no direct evidence of "bugs from space" landing fully formed to colonize and evolve on earth.

We do have lots of physical evidence that life started here in the simplest possible form and slowly, slowly evolved into the more complex.

2 posted on 08/01/2010 2:55:09 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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They forgot to preface the article with once upon a time...
3 posted on 08/01/2010 3:07:16 PM PDT by csense
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To: LibWhacker

Jason McManus thinks science doesn’t require evidence.


4 posted on 08/01/2010 3:09:39 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: LibWhacker

TIME + carbon + calcium + oxygen + hydrogen + phosphorus + sugars + and other elements and gases = LIFE

If is it that simple why hasn’t someone re-created it a a lab somewhere?

Science can’t create on purpose what they emphatically believe was created by accident. Who has more faith; the evolutionist or the creationist?


5 posted on 08/01/2010 3:18:46 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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Eureka!! Now we know how the first DNA molecule came into existence, quite by fortuitous accident; or possibly a whole series of fortuitous accidents.


6 posted on 08/01/2010 4:04:49 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: killermosquito
TIME + carbon + calcium + oxygen + hydrogen + phosphorus + sugars + and other elements and gases = LIFE

If is it that simple why hasn’t someone re-created it a a lab somewhere?

Science can’t create on purpose what they emphatically believe was created by accident. Who has more faith; the evolutionist or the creationist?

You highlighted the exact reason it's not so simple: we haven't invested the time. Evolution has taken billions of years. We've only been researching it for less than a couple hundred years.

7 posted on 08/01/2010 5:04:52 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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stupidest theory i’ve heard in a long time. complex organic molecules can’t last 5 years in the unprotected radiation of space. they sure as heck won’t last 5 billion years to drift here (and i’m ignoring the fact that we’ve never found anything organic drifting around out there. it would be everywhere if this were how stuff got here).

don’t believe radiation destroys stuff? rubber molecules are large organics. leave a piece in the dessert for 5 years and see what’s left. nothing complex.

truth is, origin of life researchers haven’t a clue how life bean.


8 posted on 08/01/2010 5:31:36 PM PDT by Captain Steve
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a whole series of fortuitous accidents... many of them simultaneous.


9 posted on 08/01/2010 5:34:08 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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a whole series of fortuitous accidents... many of them simultaneously with the command, "Let there be life." .
10 posted on 08/01/2010 5:41:49 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: LibWhacker
All of these "just so" stories avoid the real problem and issue:

WHERE DID THE INFORMATION COME FROM TO MAKE LIFE?

It's not just the materials. They can't self-assemble. The assembly information had to come from somewhere. Where?

The Christian, the Jew, and the Muslim say, "God." If a person disagrees, fine, but at least deal with the issue of bioinformation.

11 posted on 08/01/2010 6:51:09 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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Not only is the radiation damage an issue, what about chirality? All amino acids in life are left-handed. What is the mechanism in a nebula for that? There isn’t one. These guys have no answers, and so they have fallen back on panspermia.


12 posted on 08/01/2010 6:54:59 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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Thanks LibWhacker.
 
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13 posted on 08/01/2010 7:19:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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14 posted on 08/01/2010 7:20:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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THX THX. Will check it out.

Are they preparing for disclosure? Sounds like the party line of the “ET” critters.


15 posted on 08/01/2010 7:24:33 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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I guess we’ll have to wait to find out. :’)


16 posted on 08/01/2010 7:35:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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"Life originated in a nebular cloud, over 10 billion years ago," SURVEY SAYS: Photobucket
17 posted on 08/01/2010 7:36:35 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (BLAMING BUSH NEVER FED A HUNGRY CHILD.)
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IF WWIII begins the first half of Nov as many insist is on the schedule, we may not have to wait long.

Sadly.


18 posted on 08/01/2010 7:57:52 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: exDemMom

As a person who believes in a young earth I think the formula is more accurately expressed as:

TIME + carbon + calcium + oxygen + hydrogen + phosphorus + sugars + and other elements and gases <> LIFE

I firmly believe that things evolve in micro ways but the complexity of LIFE requires a large number of interacting systems, symbiotic relationships, balance, timing etc. that could not evolve to the present state in the amount of time that science suggests the universe has existed.

The human body is amazing. It manufactures at least 53 different hormones (http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/H/HormoneTable.html) and there are 12 systems (8 of which are organ systems). Additionally, there are 5 senses and each one is as amazing as the other.

Too much complexity, variation, and beauty for it (LIFE) to have been created by accident.


19 posted on 08/01/2010 8:31:49 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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As a scientist, I also see too much redundancy and just plain inefficiency to be able to believe that living organisms were carefully crafted.

Why would a creator reinvent the wheel for every single organism? And not just the wheel, but the hubcap, bolts, axles, and every other part—it doesn’t make sense. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes sense.

A living organism is nothing more than a conglomeration of chemical reactions. Like any other chemical reactions, they occur as a result of external influences.

I do not have to believe in a literal 7-day creation in order to believe in God, or to be a Christian. To me, the lack of evidence of a Genesis-style creation does not challenge my faith, nor do I see why it should challenge anyone’s. The miracle is that life is even possible, not in the specific process by which it came to have the variety it has today.


20 posted on 08/01/2010 9:23:56 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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