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To: arrogantsob
1) Nothing was illegal about the cabinet seeking advice from Hamilton. None of them had to take it.

No, but it was (1) certainly insubordinate to Adams and (2) his private schemings to foment war in his letters to Wolcott were indeed criminal under his very own Sedition Act.

We were in an undeclared war with France while Jefferson was VP and he was scheming with the French for much of that time.

First, note the keyword "Undeclared," meaning it was not a legally recognized war. Second, no less a source than Adams himself was also "scheming" with the French to the point that he successfully defused the whole thing by sending an ambassador to them against Hamilton's wishes. The difference though is that both Adams and Jefferson were elected officers of the government when they were "scheming" with the French, and thus had both the legal immunities of sovereignty and the legal prerogatives of their offices. Hamilton was a private citizen when he was "scheming" to foment a war with France.

Theoden was UNDER THE SPELL of Wormtongue

Well, Jefferson did not call Hamilton's manipulations a "reign of witches" for nothing.

5) I never called H “the father of modern capitalism” though I will call him the father of modern government finance in America.

Your statement: "None of his enemies came close to producing state papers of such immense importance to the development the modern capitalist economy as were those of Hamilton"

You then backtracked and suggested Hamilton was never strictly an economist, despite directly attributing the "modern capitalist economy" to him.

809 posted on 09/10/2010 8:32:55 AM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: conimbricenses

Hamilton never schemed for war with England. That is an outright falsehood. He was against ANY war at that time because: 1) we could not afford it; 2) we were totally unprepared militarily for one; 3) it was specifically this fear which made him opposed to Adams because he feared him blundering into war with France. Not only that but he opposed war even though it would have given him command of our armies which he had always wanted being a military man at heart.

Adams was not “scheming” with the French. Jefferson had NO authority to scheme with the French as VP. Unless the President is removed from office VP has no official role in foreign relations outside what the President asks him to do.

Nor was Hamilton in any way subordinate to Adams before his appointment as Washington’s deputy commander hence he could not have been “subordinate”. After his appointment he did as told. You would have the same right as Hamilton to respond to cabinet members queries and requests for help.

Any relation between Jefferson’s rhetoric and the truth was strictly accidental.

I never said what you claimed so there was no need for me to “backtrack” and your quote of my comment shows exactly that. While there were very few true economists at that time Hamilton was the best the US had and few of his statements or beliefs have ever been shown to be theoretically incorrect even by today’s standards.


814 posted on 09/15/2010 9:20:21 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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