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To: arrogantsob
only to encounter your ability to swallow the most absurd Jeffersonian versions of reality IN EVERY CASE of controversy.

Why is everything truthful about Hamilton a Jeffersonian conspiracy to you?

Hamilton spends two years paying a guy to prostitute his wife...evil Jeffersonian conspiracy!

Hamilton tries to foment a scheme to invade New Spain, New France, and South America...evil Jeffersonian lies!

Hamilton gets himself into his 10th duel in as many years, only this time it carries through and leaves him dead...evil Jeffersonian killers!

You have a serious case of Jefferson Derangement Syndrome.

There is no way to blame Hamilton for the out of control federal spending executed under the party of Jefferson which Hamilton had warned about for over a decade.

Hate to break it to ya, but the government programs didn't get out of control until the John Quincy Adams administration's internal improvements and high tariff protectionist schemes. Monroe being the last president under the First Party System and Adams Jr. the start of the Second Party System, it is simply silly to blame his excesses on the Jeffersonians.

And it was not his policies which led to disunion

So you're saying that protective tariffs were NOT a recurring source of sectional division for over a century?

Perhaps the most significant economic theory held by Hamilton was the critical need to get rid of slavery in this nation. He knew it was a millstone around the Union’s neck and worked outside of the government to get rid of it as a founder of the New York Society for the Manumission of Slavery.

Oh, so now Hamilton was an abolitionist? That's a curious claim to make about a guy who bought at least 6 slaves during his life at auction and routinely rented out slave laborers from his friends to do his housework. He was NOT a founder of the Manumission Society either, but merely joined the already-organized group at its second meeting at the behest of John Jay.

It has been said by experts on the subject

Ah yes. Unnamed "experts" on the "subject." And what "subject" might that be? Why Hamilton of course! And these "experts" are typically Hamilton hagiographers.

Meanwhile, if you go to any economics department at any university in America today and ask to find a representative of the Hamiltonian School, what do you get? Crickets chirping.

833 posted on 09/21/2010 9:37:38 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: conimbricenses

Another farrago of falsehoods.

Nothing TRUTHFUL is part of a conspiracy.

Monroe and Beckley made sure the papers resulting from the investigation of the Reynolds’ affair went to Jefferson. WHY? If he was such a disinterested party would he have been concerned? Why did the info surface from Callender, Jefferson’s hired literary assassin?

Even your quote shows no invasion of any territories was contemplated except under imminent French attack. They were DEFENSIVE plans not offensive.

Jefferson’s encouragement of democracy is what I was referring to as his followers eventually lost control of spending. This is just as valid a statement as yours blaming Hamilton for our excessive debt something he never would have supported.

Tariffs were not the cause of the Civil War. People complained about taxes from day one but Jefferson’s avowal of policies which undermined the constitution provided the intellectual justification that the slavers dragged out to give their defense of slavery some moral weight.

On Feb. 4, 1784 H was one of the founding members of the Manumission society along with 21 members including Jay and Burr. Nor did he own slaves but rather tried to get the NY assembly to outlaw slavery. He suggested that members of the society free their own slaves. The suggestion was quashed. It is possible that his father-in-law gave his wife a slave or indentured servant but there is no record that a slave was with the family for long.

I was quoting from Robert Hendrickson’s biography of this amazing man. He admires Hamilton but does not hide his warts. Nor does he differ much from any of the dozens of biographers I have read. Hell, I will even read some you suggest.


842 posted on 09/21/2010 10:48:42 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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