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Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln, Republicans
Grand Old Partisan ^ | August 10, 2010 | Michael Zak

Posted on 08/10/2010 5:52:22 AM PDT by Michael Zak

On this day in 1863, Frederick Douglass (R-MD) met with President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) for the first time. Senator Samuel Pomeroy (R-KS) escorted Douglass to the War Department building. On arrival, Douglass urged Secretary of War Edwin Stanton to allow equal pay for African-American soldiers in the U.S. Army. Though sympathetic, Stanton said that would require congressional approval, which he supported.

Next, Douglass was introduced to the president at the White House. Lincoln stood and shook his hand "just as you have seen one gentleman receive another," Douglass later recounted. "I at once felt myself in the present of an honest man — on whom I could love, honor and trust without reserve or doubt... Mr. Lincoln was not only a great president, but a great man — too great to be small in anything. In his company I was never in any way reminded of my humble origin, or of my unpopular color."

... Frederick Douglass said Lincoln's name "should never be spoken but with reverence, gratitude and affection," and he knew him to be "the greatest statesman that ever presided over the destinies of this Republic."

(Excerpt) Read more at grandoldpartisan.typepad.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; blackrepublicans; civilwar; emancipation; frederickdouglass; rnchistory; traitorworshiping
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To: central_va

and to think, if the south had had the foresight to use the blacks as soldiers instead of slave labor, they might have even won.

Instead they didn’t want to see blacks as equals and instead decided to go at it despite a very large numerical disadvantage.


41 posted on 08/11/2010 3:17:53 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: MikefromOhio
Another myth: Blacks didn't serve in the CS Army.

Fact: Outnumbered, the CS Army contracted thousands of black laborer to build fortifications; especially around Atalanta and Richmond. Cooks, musicians, ambulance drivers were almost all black. So when you read the south had 45K troops and the north had 60k troop at some battle, in reality the south probably had close to parity when you add in support from blacks in logistical roles.

42 posted on 08/11/2010 3:29:25 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MikefromOhio
Lincoln’s election in and of itself was just an excuse for these hotheads to think they had something and it ended up in over 500,000 deaths, 11 states getting ravaged by the war AND 50 years of economic destitution and repercussions that last even to this day. Nice going.

And yet they keep coming. The South's demise was actually caused by the invention of Air Conditioning in the early 1960's, sissy Northerners could come South, pollute the southern body politic and live in Air Conditioned comfort........

43 posted on 08/11/2010 3:32:48 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Well, at least you agree then that Jeff Davis ruled a country. Making progress.

I don't see the part where I called the confederacy a country, but if you agree with me on that then you must agree with the rest of the comparison as well?

44 posted on 08/11/2010 4:09:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
Well I guess you and Hitler agree then, Confederacies are bad things, decentralize power. I would say President Davis was anti-Hitler.

If your measure is a decentralization of power then nothing could be further from the truth. Davis consolidated power in Richmond in ways Lincoln never dreamed of.

45 posted on 08/11/2010 4:20:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
"For this "Fair Land of Freedom" I do not give a damn...I hates the Constitution, this "Great Republic," too!...I hates the Declaration of Independence, too!" - Maj. Randolph, rebel army.

Hate, hate, hate. Hate the U.S. and anything and everything to do with it. It's what Lost Causer's excel at.

46 posted on 08/11/2010 4:23:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Since you seem to never read posts anymore this editorial is probably useless but IMO::

I am not in the camp that faults either Davis or Lincoln for wartime usurpation of executive power. Lincoln was not the President of my ancestors, so criticizing the internal politics of a foreign country, the USA(1861-1865), is not my thing-hypocritical to do so.

President Davis's usurpation was done in desperation, so I do not fault him either as long as post war he knew a free republic would emerge in the south along the lines of the original founding intent (art. of Confederation). Nothing that Davis said post war leads me to conclude otherwise.

Lincoln usurpation of power was to destroy the republic of our founders. Conversely, Davis's usurpation was to restore the republic post war. Pretty much the same thing to different goals.

47 posted on 08/11/2010 4:53:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Since you seem to never read posts anymore this editorial is probably useless but IMO...

I read all your posts. And highly entertaining they are, too.

I am not in the camp that faults either Davis or Lincoln for wartime usurpation of executive power.

No, you are in the camp that labels Lincoln a Nazi for actions that pale by comparison with those of Davis.

President Davis's usurpation was done in desperation, so I do not fault him either as long as post war he knew a free republic would emerge in the south along the lines of the original founding intent (art. of Confederation).

That would assume that having ignored his constitution at will, centralized power into his own hands, and run his country like a police state Davis would suddenly do a 180 and establish the kind of free republic you visualize in your dreams. That is expecting a lot. Without any evidence that Davis was inclined to do it.

Lincoln usurpation of power was to destroy the republic of our founders. Conversely, Davis's usurpation was to restore the republic post war.

Like I said, I always find your posts highly amusing.

48 posted on 08/11/2010 5:38:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
The South's demise was actually caused by the invention of Air Conditioning in the early 1960's, sissy Northerners could come South, pollute the southern body politic and live in Air Conditioned comfort........

Actually the two largest migrations in the last century were south to north. It wasn't the invention of air conditioning that reversed that trend, it was the enforcement of civil rights.


49 posted on 08/11/2010 5:49:20 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Greatest achievements: A/C

Life changed immensely in the 20th century as air conditioning and refrigeration systems became more efficient, controllable, and even mobile. No longer dependent on the weather for work or play, humans truly made the environment adapt to their needs. Climate control became so reliable and affordable it grew from an invisible luxury to a common necessity. By the end of the century, nearly 70 percent of U.S. households had air conditioning. Now people can live and work in glassed-in or windowless buildings, in porchless houses, or in the warmest and most humid places. In the United States alone, air conditioning reversed a century-long pattern of migration out of the southern cities.

50 posted on 08/11/2010 6:32:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Another myth: Central_va can read what’s typed instead of what he wants to read.

I didn’t say the CSA didn’t use black soldiers, poor, misguided souls that they were. I SAID they used blacks as slave labor and 99% of the possible soldiers they COULD HAVE USED from the black population were exactly that.

Fail.


51 posted on 08/12/2010 3:14:34 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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