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Beatles and iTunes deal still at impasse: Yoko Ono
Reuters via yahoo ^ | Fri Aug 6, 2010 | Dean Goodman

Posted on 08/10/2010 2:17:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise

Don't hold your breath waiting for Beatles songs to go on sale at iTunes or other online retailers, Yoko Ono said on Thursday.

The Fab Four have long resisted the allure of digital downloads, instead selling millions of old-fashioned compact discs last year after remastering the catalog.

Apple Corps, the group's holding company has been unable to agree on terms with EMI Group, which licenses the Beatles' recordings. And then there's the unrelated Apple Inc, owner of iTunes, the world's largest music retailer.

Apple and Apple have had a difficult history over rights to the name. But that trademark dispute was settled in 2007, and speculation has regularly popped up ever since that the two companies would strike an iTunes deal.

"(Apple CEO) Steve Jobs has his own idea and he's a brilliant guy," Ono, the 77-year-old widow of John Lennon, told Reuters. "There's just an element that we're not very happy about, as people. We are holding out.

...Ono said her comments did not necessarily reflect the opinions of the three other equal shareholders in Apple Corps -- McCartney, bandmate Ringo Starr and Olivia Harrison, the widow of George Harrison. But she added that the infamous rancor of the past has been replaced by smooth consensus because "we're older and more experienced."

...Ono was reluctant to discuss upcoming Beatle-related activities, but has plenty of projects in the works to commemorate Lennon's 70th birthday on October 9, and the 30th anniversary of his murder on December 8.

"LENNONYC" will premiere nationally on November 22, as part of PBS' "American Masters" series...

..."I'm 77, so I think this could be my last effort, so I'm really trying very hard," she said...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: beatles; itunes; ohno; yokoono
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1 posted on 08/10/2010 2:17:07 PM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; Big Guy and Rusty 99; Brian Allen; cgk; ...

PING


2 posted on 08/10/2010 2:17:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Oh why did Chapman have to use all of his bullets on John?


3 posted on 08/10/2010 2:17:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise

“Don’t hold your breath waiting for Beatles songs to go on sale at iTunes or other online retailers, Yoko Ono said on Thursday.”

Hey ... I got your apple right here ...


4 posted on 08/10/2010 2:19:13 PM PDT by jessduntno (I wonder...how will third Manassas turn out?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Dear Yoko: while you and the others attempt to squeeze one more $20 bill out of the public for 40-year-old works they already have purchased multiple times in multiple formats the whole of the Beatles catalog is available for FREE in glorious loss-free FLAC or 320k MP3 from many Internet outlets.

Leverage is called leverage for a reason and you don’t have as much as you think you do.


5 posted on 08/10/2010 2:19:51 PM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: dfwgator

He used five on John........


6 posted on 08/10/2010 2:20:43 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: a fool in paradise

In other words....

We got our fans to buy 45s.

Then we got them to buy LPs.

Then we got eight tracks.

Next we got them to buy the exact same music on CDs.

And we are not done milking them yet.


7 posted on 08/10/2010 2:22:30 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: massgopguy

If he used one on Yoko he would have been a hero.


8 posted on 08/10/2010 2:23:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: earlJam

It’s their loss, not that any of the parties need that income. Most of us old folks that want digital music of the Beatles already have it.


9 posted on 08/10/2010 2:32:13 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: a fool in paradise
"The Fab Four have long resisted the allure of digital downloads, instead selling millions of old-fashioned compact discs last year after remastering the catalog. "

More than 40 years after their LAST RELEASE, the Beatles are selling millions of records a year.

Amazing, simply amazing.

Personally, I'm not surprised.

10 posted on 08/10/2010 2:36:00 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: dfwgator
Yoko Ono was already a lauded composer and artist by the time she hooked up with John Lennon.

Many people think of her as the woman who broke up the Beatles. But there are some people who view the Beatles as being the band that derailed Yoko Ono's career path.

11 posted on 08/10/2010 2:42:33 PM PDT by GSWarrior (I'm from the government and I'm here to change the climate.)
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To: Mariner

EMI sold 69,000 Paul McCartney Wings/Solo albums last year. Paul has moved his own back catalog away from EMI.


12 posted on 08/10/2010 2:43:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise
LOL.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

13 posted on 08/10/2010 2:48:48 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Drug addict communists. I think I will survive without their music online.


14 posted on 08/10/2010 3:03:17 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: a fool in paradise

During the Napster gold rush, I was downloading Beatles songs; each and every one I had on the shelf in one form or another. Sure I could have ripped them, but downloading is so much fun.

Now I buy music legally via iTunes. I would love to live to see another creative era in music; so I’m not going to short circuit the process.


15 posted on 08/10/2010 3:08:59 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: dfwgator

<Oh why did Chapman have to use all of his bullets on John?

OMG, that has to be the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time! I was gonna post something nasty about Yoko (whom I’ve heard sing in person, don’t ask...), but why bother when we’ve got FReeper gold right here!


16 posted on 08/10/2010 3:25:59 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: CSI007

And after McCartney’s remarks about George Bush, I have no intention of sticking another cent in his pockets.


17 posted on 08/10/2010 3:36:01 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: a fool in paradise

Guaranteed I will never purchase a Beatles song.
Dont they still play them for free on classic rock fm stations all the time?


18 posted on 08/10/2010 3:41:43 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: relictele
Dear Yoko: while you and the others attempt to squeeze one more $20 bill out of the public for 40-year-old works they already have purchased multiple times in multiple formats the whole of the Beatles catalog is available for FREE in glorious loss-free FLAC or 320k MP3 from many Internet outlets.

for those willing to be PIRATES and thieves... I'm not.

19 posted on 08/10/2010 3:45:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: cicero2k

Keep in mind MP3 downloads have VERY low sound quality - significantly lower than typical CD.

Ultra high quality (24-bit/96Khz) downloads are becoming more widely available that closely approach the quality of the master tape.

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php


20 posted on 08/10/2010 3:48:06 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: radiohead

I loosely borrowed it from Dennis Leary:

“What kind of country is this where John Lennon gets six bullets in the chest, and Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f’ing bullet? Explain THAT to me!”


21 posted on 08/10/2010 3:48:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; ...
Yoko Ono says holding breath will just get blue face and no Beatle music in online digital stores—PING!

Please!
No Flame Wars allowed!
Discuss hardware.
Don't attack people!


Apple v. Apple Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

22 posted on 08/10/2010 3:52:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Just borrow the CD from the local library,convert it into MP3s with Windows Media Player and voila! Not as handy as downloading but you get free wav files in the bargain (if you want them).
23 posted on 08/10/2010 3:53:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: GSWarrior
But there are some people who view the Beatles as being the band that derailed Yoko Ono's career path.

I was really looking for the Sarcasm tag on this comment, but I didn't see it. Nonetheless, thanks for the laugh.

24 posted on 08/10/2010 3:58:07 PM PDT by newheart (History is an outbreak of madness--Ellul)
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To: newheart

I can understand how aficionados of avant-garde, minimalist crap might feel that way.


25 posted on 08/10/2010 4:07:42 PM PDT by GSWarrior (I'm from the government and I'm here to change the climate.)
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To: newfreep

I would guess that very few people can tell the difference between a 256 or 320 mp3 and a cd especially not on average equipment.


26 posted on 08/10/2010 4:09:16 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: a fool in paradise
There's just an element that we're not very happy about, as people

Apple refuses to inflate the ratings of Ono's offerings on iTunes so it looks like SOMEONE is buying her stuff?

27 posted on 08/10/2010 4:10:08 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dfwgator

Agreed.

Yoko Ono is a VERB when it comes to bands.


28 posted on 08/10/2010 4:13:09 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: relictele

God Bless WhatCD and Waffles!


29 posted on 08/10/2010 4:13:26 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Actually, the differences between MP3 & CD are easily heard on very modest equipment.

Hi-Rez 24/96 files can sound amazingly real. Coming soon are 24/192 downloads.

I have all the Beatles albums on CDRs burned direct from the master tapes. I expect Apple Corp are determining the best vehicle for Hi-Rez 24/96 downloads and simply delaying decision on the iTunes MP3 format.


30 posted on 08/10/2010 4:14:45 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: GSWarrior
“Many people think of her as the woman who broke up the Beatles. But there are some people who view the Beatles as being the band that derailed Yoko Ono's career path. “


I didn't know there was a market for cat shredding imitations. I guess each to his own.
31 posted on 08/10/2010 4:18:37 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: GSWarrior
Yoko Ono was already a lauded composer and artist by the time she hooked up with John Lennon.

Many people think of her as the woman who broke up the Beatles. But there are some people who view the Beatles as being the band that derailed Yoko Ono's career path.


32 posted on 08/10/2010 4:21:22 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: newfreep

If you say so. I can’t hear it.


33 posted on 08/10/2010 4:29:56 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Hey, Yoko, thanks for breaking up the Beatles!!


34 posted on 08/10/2010 4:41:30 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Swordmaker
> for those willing to be PIRATES and thieves... I'm not.

100% agreed.

I'm the biggest Beatles fan I know, have been since I was in junior high in the mid-60's. I've got them on vinyl, I've got them on CDs, I've got a few old 8-tracks of 'em...

And I ripped my CD's to MP3s rather than download illegal files.

I will not download copyrighted material -- even though I hate the RIAA and MPAA and DRM -- because no compensation gets to the artists that way, not even the tiny dribble that they get from the physical media sales.

Screw the RIAA, but not the artists.

Politics aside, even Yoko aside, I'm still a Beatles fan. Some of the best music I've heard in my entire life.

35 posted on 08/10/2010 5:07:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: a fool in paradise

The Beetles stink and are boring ....who cares. They have 2-3 listenable tunes. I can listen to “House of the Rising Sun” and “LA Woman” anytime it’s on the radio. The Beetles are painful to listen to. U2 are the Beetles of today


36 posted on 08/10/2010 5:48:46 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: Swordmaker

The day John Lennon climbed up that stepladder to peer through the big magnifying glass, Yoko hit the lottery.


37 posted on 08/10/2010 6:47:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: a fool in paradise

Imagine no Yoko Ono.
It’s easy if you try.


38 posted on 08/10/2010 7:20:23 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Swordmaker

Fine...what if someone takes their newly-remastered Beatles CDs and undertakes the Herculean task of creating MP3s from them and then undertakes a second Herculean task of loading them into one’s iPod?

And please don’t misuse the term piracy just because others do same.


39 posted on 08/11/2010 4:35:07 AM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: Swordmaker

Moreover my point was an economic one. Apple Corps Ltd. assume that digital versions of the music are not currently available and therefore they badly overestimate their bargaining power.


40 posted on 08/11/2010 4:40:06 AM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: dayglored

Thank you for not giving in to the “everybody does it” mentality.


41 posted on 08/11/2010 5:01:59 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Swordmaker

Those who fork over $90 for a used mono pressing LP are denying the Beatles money for the music they listen to.

Garth Brooks realized artists get denied full tracking (and dividend) of album sales when there is a heavy used market that exists. In the 1990s he tried to coerce his label not to stock his albums at any store that sold used CDs (and there were some large chains that did this).


42 posted on 08/11/2010 8:04:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: relictele

Apple Corp and others are trying to change British copyright law. As it stands, works that are 50 years old lapse into the public domain (so Sinatra, Little Richard, Elvis, etc. recordings are PD over there).

NOW that the relevant British music industry is being affected (the beginnings of the British Invasion and Saint Cliff Richard), they feel it is time to change things.

Without action, those first Beatles albums will become public domain and Apple Corps won’t have as much power.


43 posted on 08/11/2010 8:07:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The day Paul pushed off Yoko onto John Lennon, she hit the lottery.

Had he lived, I doubt they would have remained together for 40 years. He’d already left the relationship for a famous affair. He’d already left his first wife.

But she became a 25% voting member of the band.


44 posted on 08/11/2010 8:09:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yoko’s advice fine for the rest of us, but I hope she does not take it. Because, the longer she holds her breath, the longer we won’t have to listen to her spine-chilling, infernal yowling.


45 posted on 08/11/2010 8:12:05 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: dayglored
I will not download copyrighted material -- even though I hate the RIAA and MPAA and DRM -- because no compensation gets to the artists that way, not even the tiny dribble that they get from the physical media sales.

So you have no Beatles bootleg recordings in your collection? Only Rarities (US and UK versions) and Anthology I,II,III to satisfy any desire for outtakes and unreleased songs?

No purchased used records, tapes, CDs either?

My comment is not a support for downloading (legal or illegal), just probing the full context of your stance.

Bands like the Beatles (apart from the mythmaking of things like $2,000 butcher-shot LP covers, etc.) receive nothing from used sales yet there is NO (zero zip nada) legal resale value for digital downloads.

If it is all about seeing bands paid for every transfer of ownership of a recording, then digital download ONLY would be the model to go with.

46 posted on 08/11/2010 8:15:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: relictele

Right now I’d recommend to anyone who does undergo that task to transfer personal recording that they NOT travel internationally with that ipod because it is subject to search at customs.

You can claim all you want that you did the transfers at home from your own personal copies of the albums, but will be subject to whatever local security wants to do.


47 posted on 08/11/2010 8:18:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The day Paul pushed off Yoko onto John Lennon, she hit the lottery. Had he lived, I doubt they would have remained together for 40 year

Hence my theory that Yoko "knew" Mark David Chapman, if you know what I mean.

48 posted on 08/11/2010 8:22:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: newfreep

I think the final format release of all of these back catalogs (not just the Beatles) will be multitrack digital versions, where some “new” soundboard device can be used to bring up or bring down the mix.

Basically “Guitar Hero” replaced by “Recording Engineer 2.0”. Make your own custom mixes. Bring up the vocals. Drop the vocal tracks and use it for karaoke games at home. Listen for the odd background clatter that is lost in the “true” mix... etc.

And there is no reason these would have to be $15 releases, they could be $75, $150, or even $1000.

Prince had an offer where for something like $1000 you could buy usage of his back catalog for sampling purposes, the ad was at the end of one of his DVDs. That was not just for a single cut, that was for the whole thing.


49 posted on 08/11/2010 8:23:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: ├čudda├čudd
Dont they still play them for free on classic rock fm stations all the time?

No, classic rock stations have moved from 60s-70s, to 60s-70s-80s and now they have become 70s-80s-90s stations.

50 posted on 08/11/2010 8:29:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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