Skip to comments.Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine: Are Handgun Caliber Rifles the New Home Defense Shotgun?
Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Capt. John Raguso keeps threatening to send us a review of Kel Tecs smokin SUB-2000 9mm carbine. Today, Hi-Point Carbines drops the news that their long awaited .45 ACP rifle is ready to rock and roll. These handgun-caliber carbine may be gaining favor over the venerable 12-gauge as the weapon of choice for hom defense. And for good reason. In fact, here are four. . .
1. Less recoil than a shotgun
While home defense shotguns put an awful lot of lead downrange with a single trigger squeeze, shooters pay the price with a big ole wallop to their shoulder. Thats no big thing for big people whore comfortable with firearms (who may, in fact, like the kick). And in the heat of battle, who cares? But if a gun is formidable to fire (i.e. painful), its owners are FAR less likely to practice. If they dont, they will not be confident and accurate.
Even in .45 ACP, handgun-caliber carbines have minimal recoil, relatively speaking. The lower recoil makes the rifles far more attractive to women, teens and (lets be honest here) small-framed men. They can also put a lot of lead downrange. BONUS! Quick mag changes are easier than reloading a shotgun.
2. Quieter than a shotgun
The state prohibitions against silencers really piss me off. (Somebody was watching way too many spy movies.) Meanwhile, shotguns are ridiculously, enormously loud. While a handgun caliber carbine will make plenty of noise, a shooter stands a chance of being able to hear something after firingwhich could save their life. Comparing the two firearms genres, handgun caliber rifles will definitely reduce a shooters chances of permanent, perhaps even catastrophic hearing loss.
3. Better than a handgun
Sos a shotgun. But again, there are plenty of people who find shotguns intimidating. In that sense, handgun caliber carbines hit the sweet spot. Thanks to the carbines longer sight radius, theyre easier to aim than a handgun, And more intimidating (i.e. visible)
Handgun caliber carbines increase bullet speed and, thus, penetration. Hi-Point says their .45 ACPs longer barrel increases velocity figures between 80-200 FPS (feet per second) over a like-chambered handgun.
4. Less expensive
To my way of thinking, a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. A good one costs the thick end of a grand. This Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine costs $330. The SUB-2000 goes for $409.
I love shotguns. But the handgun caliber carbines may be better for more people. The market will speak.
Specifications for Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine:
Price: $330 MSRP Finish: Special high-durability black powder coat Stock: Black molded polymer-(with standard upper and lower Picatinny rails). Barrel length: 171/2-inches Overall length: 33-inches Weight: 71/2-pounds. Magazine capacity: 9-rounds. Sight: Adjustable front post and adjustable rear (ghost ring) Warranty: Lifetime on parts and labor that follows the gun. Manufacturer: Hi-Point of Mansfield Ohio-every part is made in the U.S.A. Factory affordable options are available: Folding grip, laser, scope sight, etc.
I like .45. Trying to find an 8-round double stack magazine for a Llama Minimax X 45 Subcompact (1911-style). If any Freeper has a lead, etc., I would be most grateful to hear.
I have a Ruger PC-9 semi-auto police carbine, 9mm. It has ghost ring sights and a flashlight. I wouldn’t say it replaces a shotgun but it has its uses. It’s also a lot of fun to shoot.
I have to disagree with the original post about the shotgun. For home defense, a scatter gun is perfect, not to mention the sound of a shucked shell will scare a good number of people off in no time.
That said, I would have a carbine in .45, if I didn’t have 3 .45’s already...;)
,” a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. “
Gotta disagree, here — there’s no more intimidating sound, from man or nature, than the distinctive ‘racking’ of a pump-action shotgun...
Makes it much more likely to be able to defuse a situation without having to fire a shot....
They’ve been talking about coming out with this 45 carbine for about 4 years. Glad it’s finally arrived. Now we have to see if it lives up to expectations.
here is one of my original handgun caliber rifles circa 1882 (this is a file photo from the web...not mine...I have 2, 1 made in 1882 and the other,my son's, had filed off serial numbers, which has been corrected, and we dont know how old it is...)
Some kind of welding mask lens like device in a pair of headphones might help on the sound issue - to know where to put the second round.
Recently fired my neighbor’s Hi-Point 9mm and had a nice 3 inch grouping around in the target center at 25ft. A little tricky to chamber the first round, but feels great (the pistol and front grip), and easy/quick to sight. Needs a higher capacity magazine... 10 rounds??
Lever actions have a pleasant racking sound too.
The key words here is “Home Defense”. Kinda hard keeping a rifle in your night stand drawer.
I prefer the Judge. But some cleanup required after shooting bad guy.
Here Comes the Judge! Taurus .45/410 Revolver
I prefer a shotgun for home defense, but .45ACP carbines are nice. I have two, a Beretta Storm, and my favorite, a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45ACP that uses 1911 mags,
Why bother with a pistol-ammo rifle for home defense when you can have a revolver that shoots .45 or 4-10 ammo?
I’m probably in the minority, but HiPoint make some of the ugliest guns I’ve ever seen.
Been around for years. Midway had a sale on them last year for about $25. You can talk and have a normal conversation at the Range, and fire all day. I bought a bunch for everyone I know. They run on a battery and have a volume control.
I agree with a few posters, a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 18” barrel is the perfect home defense gun. Discharging ANY weapon inside a house is going to be loud so I don’t buy that arguement there.
Don’t get me wrong, I have a .45acp I use for carry and HD as well but one has to be more precise with a .45acp round as opposed to a shotgun. A properly setup HD shotgun (instant-on light, 8+ round magazine, tritum sights) will be better in almost any situation. A pistol is handy for ‘clearing’ around walls and doors and should be on your hip as backup.
A Mini14/AR15 in a home? No F’in way, even with frangible bullets! Even 9mm and .45acp rounds will be a problem if you miss your target as a bullet will go through several walls before stopping. 00 and 000 shot will not penetrate through multiple walls yet all energy will be absorbed by an immediate target.
HiPoint = Ugly + Junk (Yes I do own one, and use it now as a paperweight)
One also needs to consider other aspects as well, such and pointing and shooting without aiming (especially when roused from a sleep). As for rate of fire auto loaders are pretty damn quick.
The only drawbacks are the large holes in the walls and doors, length of the firearm in tight spaces, lack of ammunition (3-5 rounds).
I don't know about "ugly", but I bought one in .40 S&W and after keeping it, "un-fired" for nine months, I traded it in for a Glock in the same caliber. I love it!
If the bg's a rational person, of course, he's gonna freeze and soil his pants. But what if he's in a separate reality from drugs, and he's armed or just physically capable of harm? Or what if he's a professional criminal who will know from that racking sound where to shoot, and that he's got about three microseconds to do it?
Check out this thread for an example:
I can only suggest what other people do, of course, but in a standoff at my house the sound that guy's going to hear is a different one.
Cycling any type of gun tends to give away your position. I personally do not think that is a good idea.
me too ... my bedside companion ... .410 000 4 pellet load from Federal
The shotgun doesn’t give much in the way of pellet dispersion at room ranges. Plus you’ve the weapon’s length to handle.
I’ve been a bad boy, simply taking along my .40 USPc to investigate things, but am training myself to take along one of the ARs (16”, Aimpoint, adjustable stock and 30 rounds) when the need occurs, and that should be sufficient for point defense.
But to be fair to myself, if I’ve pants on, I’ve got the pistol, with or without the carbine, which I think to be a good thing.
Correct...While the sound of a shotgun racking is a terrifying sound to be on the ‘receiving’ end it does give away your position. Any/all HD weapons should be at the ready.
A .45 ACP Carbine would be cool -
the requirement that I would impose on it would be that it would accept .45 ACP handgun magazines, ie, are interchangeable.
I want my mags to be used by as many guns, interchangeably, as possible.
As long as you load it with the .45LC and not the .410 junk, it will work okay for home defense, but it’s far from a great choice as the BOT showed.
Diesel or gasoline?
--in the unlikely situation where it will be fired at an intruder, the first two loads from my "coach gun" will be trap loads--not particularly noisy but can be followed by a couple with #4 buck---
Not really a good home defense choice though. Put the .45LC rounds in it.
Shotgun does it for me....
I thought the M3 submachine gun was dubbed “grease gun” . Not the Thompson.
If you have waited that long to charge the weapon you have waited way too long.
WTF is that?
” Cycling any type of gun tends to give away your position. I personally do not think that is a good idea. “
I, personally, do not think storing a gun, or any weapon, “in battery” is a particularly good idea....
I view it as a higher capacity PF-45 Liberator.....use it once and get an upgrade from the opponent.
Interesting thread. We have been trying to decide on a home defense weapon, and were told by LEO that a shotgun is best. Then someone said that a shotgun is not good because of what one poster said- barrel could be grabbed, makes a mess in your house with the spray, the noise it makes as you chamber the shell alerts the BG (for the good or bad!).
I had a bear try to break in one night. I think a 45 will only make a bear intruder mad. I am waiting on a 870 riot gun with a short barrel. I have a 45 Colt for two leg intruders.
I’ll second that, the pistol whould be at your side no matter what ‘long gun’ one has.
I have a SPR AR that’s for ‘perimeter’ defense since I live on a large lot. Do you have a EOTech or Airpoint on your’s?