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Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine: Are Handgun Caliber Rifles the New Home Defense Shotgun?
The Truth About Guns ^ | 10 August, 2010 | Robert Farago

Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: BlueLancer; Eye of Unk

Solar?


121 posted on 08/11/2010 7:16:57 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: marktwain

The old Marlin Camp .45 (which I really wish I’d bought) used standard Colt mags. Does this do you know? If it does I may just have to pick one up.


122 posted on 08/11/2010 7:17:04 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: redlegplanner

Good point....Old Painless’ conclusions are good but as a rule of thumb the statement stands. OP has pontificated about this numerous times on ARFCom as it has been a topic of interest.


123 posted on 08/11/2010 7:17:20 AM PDT by ATLDiver
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To: caver
I’m probably in the minority, but HiPoint make some of the ugliest guns I’ve ever seen.

I would agree and I own a 9 mil Hi-Point but you can't beat it for the price, lifetime warranty, and it's made in America.

124 posted on 08/11/2010 7:17:24 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (My problem with aging is I tend to forget things. Also, I've found that I tend to forget things.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

That thing is pretty. It’s not Saiga. Who makes it?


125 posted on 08/11/2010 7:18:01 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: P8riot
a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45ACP that uses 1911 mags,

I really wish I'd picked one of those up when I had the chance.

126 posted on 08/11/2010 7:18:21 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Reddy

grab barrel - if you are going to watch an intruder approach to arms reach without firing, do not get a gun

Mess - if you are more concerned with decorations or drywall than the occupants, do not get a gun

Give away position - Shotguns come in semiauto as well.


127 posted on 08/11/2010 7:18:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: central_va

That is how you talk on CB radio. /s LOL


128 posted on 08/11/2010 7:18:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: umgud

To post #18
I like it a lot!


129 posted on 08/11/2010 7:19:31 AM PDT by Hotmetal (Support the castle, defend the flag. 858TH Engineering Battalion)
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To: Lurker

“...The old Marlin Camp .45 (which I really wish I’d bought) used standard Colt mags...”

On GunBroker those old Camp Rifles in good condition fetch steep prices.


130 posted on 08/11/2010 7:19:51 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Hacklehead

I know of no tactical training schools that teach you to rack the shotgun to scare the bad guy. It might work, but it also might get you or a family member killed.


131 posted on 08/11/2010 7:20:58 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: marktwain
I love my 45 ACP colt, loaded with Black Talon hollow points. (AKA, “Garbage Cans”) Guaranteed to stay in the room and tear their target a new body cavity.
132 posted on 08/11/2010 7:25:18 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: dblshot

Near Spray indoors? No way!

I would rather replace drywall and hardwood floors.

Not to mention you are likely to be incapacitated yourself in a closed room.

I have some from my time in Alaska. Having that in my Truck cab while driving scares the heck out of me.


133 posted on 08/11/2010 7:26:51 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
Armed BG in your house, in a state with a Castle Doctrine law, - you are probably left with some sheetrock and trim work.

Heh....thats a real clean shoot. If a suspect exsanguinates or you debride him of several lbs of flesh, expect a $10k cleaning bill from a bio-cleanup specialists.

134 posted on 08/11/2010 7:26:52 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: central_va

That be the Judge from Taurus


135 posted on 08/11/2010 7:29:41 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Hacklehead

Good post, Hacklehead.

The old saying “I’d rather by tried by 12 than carried by 6” misses the middle ground: attempt to scare the BG away.

In a home evasion, the homeowner’s goal is, of course, to avoid being killed by the BG (the “carried by 6” outcome).

But if your mental state is to immediately default to a macho violent response (the “tried by 12” option) be prepared for:

- Aggressive questioning by the police. Say the wrong thing the wrong way, and perhaps (depending on the state you live in) you’ll face charges. Even if you’re cleared, say goodbye to your life savings.

- A possible lawsuit from the victim’s family. Again, even if you’re cleared, say goodbye to your life savings.

- Harassment from the victim’s family. Depending on how crazy the victim’s brothers/cousins/friends are, you may end up looking over your shoulder for years to come.

- Nightmares. That may not happen to you. But it happens to plenty of highly trained infantrymen who have had to take another’s life.

Are these possibilities worth risking? Yes!, if the alternative is your death or the death of your family.

There are many situations where conditions demand an immediate and violent defensive measure. In those cases, trying to scare the BG away is foolish and may well get you killed.

But to skip right over attempts to scare him away WHEN CONDITIONS ALLOW is almost as foolish.


136 posted on 08/11/2010 7:33:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: marktwain

My SUB 2K cost me $219 three years back so deals can be found. Original owner ran 1 box of 50 rds and traded it back for something else. It compliments my G17 nicely.


137 posted on 08/11/2010 7:33:17 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: DCBryan1
exsanguinates

Okay - I have a pretty good vocabulary - but had to look that one up.

138 posted on 08/11/2010 7:33:40 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (When in the course of human events...)
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To: mbynack

Exactly


139 posted on 08/11/2010 7:47:12 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: marktwain
Bought a NEF Handi-Rifle in S&W 500 Magnum when they first came out. Single shot but it's a hoot to shoot!


140 posted on 08/11/2010 7:51:32 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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