Posted on 08/22/2010 6:12:51 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Obama can end the "birthers" controversy in one single day by releasing the original documents, but for some inexplicable reason he refuses, and the love-struck media never ask him why...
Trust but verify.
-- Ronald Reagan
It's good practice to take a person at his word until someone shows you proof he is lying.
Barack Obama says he was born in Hawaii, and since no one has shown any proof he was born in Kenya or elsewhere, it's OK to conclude he was born in Hawaii.
Sure his grammar school records show that he was enrolled as an Indonesian Muslim, but some people will say anything to get their kid in the right school. It doesn't really answer the question.
It's OK though for others not to use my deferential standard and continue to question whether Obama was born in Hawaii. We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here. There is a Constitutional mandate that the President be a natural-born citizen, and if Obama is not one, he certainly will have committed the biggest fraud since the White Sox threw the World Series.
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Well done! We have a new term to describe eggheaded liberal journOlistas who fail in their attempts at linguistic coinage.
“Obama could end all speculation about his constitutional eligibility by showing the nation his original long-form birth certificate. A person has to abandon all logic and reason to put forth any theory as to why he won’t.”
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The simple answer is: He CAN’T.
Now, the real question is apparent. WHY CAN’T HE??
Potential reasons:
1) because the original long form document is from a Nation other than the United States.
2) the original long form states he is of parentage other than what his CURRENT short form says.
3) I leave this one to others to fill in the blanks on.
The real question is “Why can’t the President of the United States Release his Long Form Birth Certificate for public inspection?”
The answer to this very simple question may well get the cretin thrown out of the White House, and get a few people indited. In particular those who deliberately did not certify that the man was a Natural Born Citizen.
Potential reasons:
1) because the original long form document is from a Nation other than the United States.
2) the original long form states he is of parentage other than what his CURRENT short form says.
Whatever it is, it's obviously a deal-breaker for either cultural, or legal reasons. My guess is that he lied about his provenance in interviews, which forced his campaign staff to manufacture a forged COLB that matched his statements. Of course the original says different.
He's already not constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President, per a strict reading of the NBC clause in the Constitution, but the fact that his (alleged) father was a Kenyan is public knowledge.
He's obviously not trying to hide that, so what else might he be trying to hide?
I would vote for place of birth being Kenya, and not Hawaii, but that's just my personal speculation. Who knows what he's hiding?
My guess is he is using it as a smoke screen. Hiding the whole issue behind something he and Dims can mock... ie: birthers. What it’s hiding is in plain view. He was British at Birth. You cannot hold two citizenships and be a Natural Born Citizen at birth. In fact, because of his heritage, Obama could never have been a Natural Born Citizen even if he was born in the Oval Office.
That is what its hiding in my opinion. He was listed as British under his fathers name, under his fathers heritage.
Your account of the snafu on a recent thread is very interesting. You’re getting warm......
What makes you say so?
I know what it means. I know what it could potentially mean if followed up on. Do you have some specific reason to suspect this is the correct (or best) course of action?
Well, if that's his brilliant scheme, then when's he going to come out and mock us? He's going on two years in office, and he's done nothing but evade this issue completely.
I remember this theory from early on in the controversy, and it made sense at the time, but it's now two years on, and he's remained silent. If he was going to spring a trap on the birthers, he would have done so by now.
That is what its hiding in my opinion. He was listed as British under his fathers name, under his fathers heritage.
But that's common knowledge, and has never been denied by Obama or his camp. It's in his book, and is a central plank of his personal narrative. He can't be "hiding" that information on an unreleased birth certificate.
No, he's hiding something else. Something that he'd rather die than admit to. Something that will destroy him, both politically, and personally.
Knowing Obama to be the serial liar that he is, it's probably a whole combination of lies, which the bc would expose. This is why he's locked down every public record that he has. His lies run to every sector of his past, and he cannot allow anyone to see what an abject liar he really is.
Considering that Obama was elected President and none of his predecessors had this requirement thrust upon him, the question isn't "why can't he," rather "why should he?"
I do not think the electorate has to accept anyone's misfeasance or nonfeasance as prima facie evidence that they did their job. Even the wording of the oath they took was changed to eliminate the part about having seen proof.
It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, and to demand, on the behalf of the voters, an accounting of the past records relevant to a candidates ability to carry out the duties of his office.
When the media are promoting the candidate, they cannot be relied upon to vett the candidate.
Any 'negligence' on their part was willful. That leaves the People of the United States to do the job. In attempting to do the job the media would not do, the media have been obstacles in the court of public opinion to every effort to get to the bottom of what is being actively hidden (the records were sealed by executive order).
It would be ridiculous to assume anything other than their complicity, in that their own attack on those trying to get the information indicates that they are in on the entire affair, and the Journo-list of hundreds of media personages colluding to elect Barack Obama to the office of POTUS indicates there is no claim of neutrality to be made: they are co-conspirators in any fraud that has taken place with their assistance, and accessories at the least.
If there is in fact wrongdoing present and this were prosecuted to the fullest legal extent, the list of accessories before and after the fact, of those conspiring to overthrow the Constitutional Government of the United States would be extensive indeed.
Any usurpation of power conducted through fraud is nothing less than a Coup.
In nearly all cases it isn’t necessary. Go back the last 50 years. How many times has it come up? Once with Obama, and once with McCain - about whom I have my doubts.
In fact it has happened several times, but in the overall scheme of things, it doesn’t come up that often. Most people running for POTUS have solid American roots which don’t require proof of citizenship. George W Bush for example. George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan. Jimmy Carter. Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, JFK, Lindon Johnson, Eisenhower, Hoover.... In fact you have to go back quite a ways to find an unconstitutional President based solely upon the Dual citizenship issue. That person was Chester Arthur who became POTUS because of Assassination. His father did not become a Naturalized citizen until 14 years after Chester Arthur was born, also making Arthur ineligible because of Dual Citizenship. The difference is.... NO ONE KNEW ABOUT THAT until 2009. In Obama’s case, we know about it NOW.
The only difference is this, No one knew that Chester’s Dad wasn’t a Naturalized citizen at the time of his birth. He did become one, and at the time Arthur was elected VP, he was of course a citizen. But not when his son was born. So Chester had dual Citizenship. Obama’s dad never becane any sort of citizen of the United States, he died Britisn and kenyan. Obama’s son was born , British, Kenyan and American. His Kenyan citizenship expired in the 80’s
The whole house of Obama cards lay on a foundation which states, “it doesn’t matter who your parents are or what their citizenship is, if you were born in the USA, then you are an NBC.” This is patently false. It is nothing short of a lie, and Obama and many others are relying on enough people believing this lie through continued IGNORANCE. Ignorance to what a Natural Born Citizen is and isn’t. Natural Born Citizenship is RESERVED for those who are born to parents who themselves are citizens, and born upon the soil of that Nation. If any of these details is not exactly that, then the child is not a Natural Born Citizen.
Obama is a Cretin and an Usurper. Whats more, he KNOWS it, and is counting on the ignorance of the American public in order to keep power.
Take that ignorance our from under Obama’s foundation, and his whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
Yeah, and in his book he also said that he was taught to always smile at white people and be very polite to them, so he wouldn’t “scare” them. LOL.
THAT bit made me laugh. He is not an imposing person. Only his policies are frightening.
I find it very suspicious that one of his gramas expired so quickly in Hawaii, days before the election. I think he ransacked her apartment looking for damaging documents.
First they said the grama had some kind of surgery, hip replacement or something, and the next thing you know she was said to have cancer and was suddenly dead.
Hussein raced to the scene, and the old bird was cremated and thrown in the ocean in no time.
There was a picture of MO and BO looking positively gleeful at the oceanside place where they disposed of the ashes.
I think he offed his grammy. She not only had papers, she had knowledge, and as long as she could speak, Hussein was in danger of being outed on goodness knows how many issues.
There is still an Odinga ordered gag rule on all the Kenyans who know stuff, as far as I know.
And of course George still resides in a hut and poops in a hole in the ground.
Interesting .. I’d let some of the attorneys
and other folks pursuing this issue know that.
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Confirmed: Stanley Ann Dunham began studies in September 1961, not August
REGISTRAR’S OFFICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON CONFIRMS START DATE WAS IN SEPTEMBER 1961
by Sharon Rondeau
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Excerpt:
Stanley Ann Dunham’s 1960 high school graduation photograph
(Aug. 22, 2010) — The Post & Email can confirm that the alleged mother of Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, began her course of study at the University of Washington in September 1961, not August 19, 1961, as has been widely reported.
One source of information whose work is widely disseminated on the internet does not mention her attendance at the University of Washington at all. A Facebook page created for her the day after the 2008 presidential election also fails to include that detail of her life.
Following up on a tip received recently from a private researcher, The Post & Email obtained confirmation from the registrar’s office at the University of Washington that Dunham’s classes began in September 1961.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-stanley-ann-dunham-began-studies-in-september-1961-not-august/
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Results of Investigation made possible by donors to The Post & Email Legal Fund
WAS OBAMA GIVEN A CERTIFICATE NUMBER WHICH HAD BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE?
by Sharon Rondeau
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Excerpt:
The Dunhams were found in the Polk’s Directory as residing in Honolulu from sometime in 1960 forward
(Aug. 21, 2010) — In June, The Post & Email solicited funds for its Legal Defense Fund for a specific research project focusing on details and discrepancies surrounding Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. Many of our readers were very generous with their donations, including one who put forth a “matching grant” challenge which was met and even surpassed.
With the help of a private donor, The Post & Email was able to fund an investigative journey to Hawaii for an experienced researcher. The results of the investigation follow in the researcher’s own words.
MRS. RONDEAU: How long were you in Hawaii doing this investigation?
RESEARCHER: I was in Honolulu for approximately three days. I arrived in the middle of the day on a Tuesday. My first stop was the State Library to review the Oahu Polk’s Directories to confirm the address history of Stanley, Madelyn and Stanley Ann Dunham and some other persons of interest.
I also verified that Barack Obama Sr. appeared in the Polk’s Directory. I looked for the name “Lolo Soetoro,” but I never did find a record of him in the directories I looked at. However, from the passport information that was recently released as a result of the Chris Strunk FOIA request, it appears that Lolo was in Honolulu as early as 1962.
Berg says it’s “no surprise” Obama wants the Mosque near Ground Zero as Obama is a Muslim!
Excerpt:
“Berg commented further regarding Obama by saying, “I believe Obama probably prays to his Muslim religion with others that he invites into the White House, and that is his right and privilege.
Obama’s twenty [20] years with Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr. of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago was questionable as to the sermons given and what Obama took from them. It is unbelievable that Obama did not know the Reverend Wright as others did. Also, according to sources, the Trinity United Church had many members who were and are Muslims.”
Berg continued, “The pressure is building to force Obama/Soetoro to admit that he is an Imposter, a Fraud, a Phony and his tale is the largest ‘Hoax’ in the history of the United States, over 234 years.
Actually, the pressure is building because the overwhelming evidence is that Obama/Soetoro was born in Africa and more important is the fact that Obama was adopted/acknowledged by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia and Obama’s ‘legal’ name became ‘Barry Soetoro’ and there is no evidence that he has legally changed his name and therefore, every time he uses the name of ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ he has and is committing fraud.”
Berg concluded,
“I am in the final days of planning for the largest March/Rally in Washington, DC in October 2010 to force Obama/Soetoro to step down from the Office of President, a position he is not Constitutionally eligible to be President as he is an ‘Usurper’ and he has led our country into a Constitutional crisis.
When Obama/Soetoro steps down, all of the laws, appointments and programs including ObamaCare will end because all of them are ‘voidable’.”
http://obamacrimes.com/?p=1094
Let me see if I understand this. You were born in Hawaii. You have a COLB dated 2007. You called the Hawaii DOH and questioned when it was sent and they said your mother requested a copy in 2000 and you requested a copy in 2007. They sent you copies of the original receipts that accompanied both COLBs.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood.
It's only false in the fantasy world birthers have created since Obama was elected. This is why no court is going to accept this argument.
Close. At the time I had forgotten I had requested on in 07. I had had knee surgery and was on a LOT of pain meds right then, and I did it all online. I remembered it once I saw the two receipts. More accurately I remember needing to get my COLB so I could get my passport. I don’t remember ordering it. But the rest is correct. My moms request for my COLB (which I needed when I had my wallet stolen in 2000 and lost all my ID) in 2000 was listed under her name. My request in 07 was listed under my own name.
It did not occur to me that HDOH would file the request under the name of the person requesting the record, rather than with the record itself. That isn’t the case. The request is only filed under the record name if that is the person who requested it. If if was Mom, or grandma, or grandpa or Dad, the request will be filed under that persons name, not with the record itself. This is why, when I asked if there was any other requests, and the person in HDOH was looking at my Mom’s requests, could only see the one she made for me. Because she was in my Mom’s file, she could not see what requests I had made under my own name, and did not discover it until later when she specifically looked there.
Pfffft.
and monkeys might fly out of your butt.
In the world of LAW, semantics matters. Dismiss it if you like, but the facts remain.
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