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Erik Scott, USMA Class of 1994, Shot at Costco
USMA Class of 1994 ^ | 8/30/2010 | William Scott

Posted on 09/27/2010 9:40:32 AM PDT by pgyanke

Erik Scott's Death - A Father's Statement 8/30/2010

Erik's family would like to keep our class updated on what is occurring in the case of Erik's death.

Below is a statement from Erik's father, William Scott.

Please support the Scott Family by following: http://erikbscott.com Twitter: @IMOErikBscott Facebook: In Memory of Erik Scott Twitter: @IMOErikBScott YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/InMemoryofErikScott

Erik Scott's Death

Erik B. Scott, a 1994 U.S. Military Academy at West Point graduate, was shot and killed by three Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (Metro) officers in front of the Summerlin Costco store on 10 July 2010. The shooting is still under investigation, but here are the basic facts, based on numerous eyewitness reports:

Erik was carrying a legally registered concealed firearm, while he and his girlfriend were shopping at Costco. He also had a concealed carry permit in his wallet, issued by the same Metro department that killed him.

When Erik squatted on the floor to verify that three metal water bottles would fit into a soft-sided, zip-up cooler, a Costco employee saw the weapon. Erik's shirt had lifted up, revealing an inside-the-belt holstered pistol tucked into the back of his jeans. A civil interchange ensued, and the employee informed Erik of Costco's policy that guns were not allowed inside company stores -- although there are no signs to that effect posted outside or inside the facility. Erik calmly responded that his gun was legal and that he had a concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit on his person. Like many other Boston Scientific pacemaker sales reps, Erik carried a concealed weapon for personal protection, because reps are required to enter dangerous areas of the city at all hours of the day and night to serve patients fitted with cardiac pacemakers and defibrillators. Contrary to wildly erroneous news reports, we don't believe Erik had a second gun on his person.

The Costco employee apparently reported to the store's manager that Erik was carrying a gun. The manager, in turn, informed a young, plainclothes security person, who subsequently placed a 911 call to the police. The contents of that 911 call have not been released, but Northwest Metro cops rushed to the store in overwhelming force. Perhaps as many as 15 police cruisers, a helicopter, an incident-command team and an ambulance were dispatched.

Costco managers announced via the PA system that the store was being evacuated. Unaware that the evacuation had anything to do with him, Erik and his girlfriend walked out with the crowd, passing three Metro officers waiting at the entrance. The Costco undercover security guard pointed to Erik, and the cops started yelling at Erik to stop and turn around.

Erik turned to find three officers facing him, guns drawn, and all three shouting different commands: "Get on the ground!" "Drop your weapon!" and "Keep your hands up!" Erik held his hands up, spoke calmly, told them he DID have a concealed firearm and a legal CCW and was an ex-Army officer. His girlfriend was screaming about Erik being a West Point grad, former Army officer, etc. Erik leaned to his left, hands still up, to expose the pistol inside his belt, and repeated, "I am disarming; I am disarming..." Witnesses say he started to lower his right hand, palm OUT, as if intending to remove holster and gun together — but never got the hand below his shoulder, when one of the cops (William Mosher, who had committed a fatal shooting in 2006) shot Erik in the chest with a .45-caliber weapon. Erik dropped to his knees, clearly in shock, his face a picture of disbelief. He was shot a second time and collapsed. The rest is ugly. The three officers unloaded again, firing a total of seven hollow-point rounds. At least five, possibly six, hit Erik in the back, after he was on the ground and dying.

The cops roughly handcuffed Erik's hands behind his back, and, in the words of an eyewitness, "tossed him onto a gurney [as if he were] a sack of potatoes."

Costco had numerous security cameras inside the store and at least four trained on the entrance portico, where the shooting took place. Metro officers immediately seized the surveillance-camera video data (computer hard disks), including backup drives. Within hours, Metro leaked "news" that the video may be "unusable," and that the hard drives had been sent to a forensics lab in Los Angeles. More than six weeks later, only Metro personnel have seen the video. Sheriff Douglas Gillespie, the Metro chief, continues to say that "there's probably no usable video" of events inside the store or of Erik's fatal shooting. He also has refused to release the 911 audio tape, even though Metro normally releases those 911 call tapes to the media within days.

There's been considerable media coverage of Erik's shooting, and many of the news reports are available on Las Vegas TV station and Las Vegas Review Journal newspaper websites. Erik's family and friends have done numerous interviews, as we search for the truth about Erik's slaying. Many people think one of our more-effective interviews was on Channel 8/KLAS TV with George Knapp of the "I-Team." (http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12809131)

A Clark County Coroner's Inquest Hearing is scheduled for 22-23 September in Las Vegas. Considered to be unique in the U.S., this particular inquest process is heavily biased in favor of law enforcement personnel. A Las Vegas reporter referred to it as "police investigating police and reporting to police." In 34 years of inquests into more than 190 officer-involved shootings, only one officer has been found at fault — and he was never prosecuted.

Interested parties can follow developments in this case, as well as an "E-Team" weblog featuring commentary and insights, at: http://www.erikbscott.com

William B. Scott Erik's Father

*Note that this information was not created by USMA Class of 1994. All information was provided by the Scott Family in order to keep Erik's friends and classmates informed.*


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: costco; donutwatch; erikscott; murderbycop
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1 posted on 09/27/2010 9:40:37 AM PDT by pgyanke
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To: pgyanke

The officers need to be charge with murder and put to death.


2 posted on 09/27/2010 9:45:50 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: pgyanke

Scott bookmark.


3 posted on 09/27/2010 9:47:16 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: pgyanke

Note: I apologize for some formatting issues. The posting mechanism had difficulties...


4 posted on 09/27/2010 9:47:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke

And the police wonder why law-abiding citizens grow more and more hostile towards the extortionist authorities, even during routine department fundraising stops.


5 posted on 09/27/2010 9:47:58 AM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: pgyanke

I’ve had to disarm a guy, post IAF, working reserve checkpoint duty. (It’s what happen to old guys who still want to serve.)

The smartest guy I ever saw ignored our commands to drop his weapon, instead kept his hands WAY over his head, fingers spread, turned around, then slowly dropped to his knees.

(It turned out to be a Druze legally carrying a weapon.)


6 posted on 09/27/2010 9:50:00 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: pgyanke

Sad story. One thing for sure that I know is once they said for me to get down. I would have gotten down and then definitely would NOT move to get the weapon. I would have just stayed on the ground until the situation was under control. Every weapons shooting I read has the person reaching for something. Why reach? The police said get down....that is all. Nothing about taking out the gun. Prayers to his family.


7 posted on 09/27/2010 9:50:08 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: pgyanke

This is a horrific tragedy. Man, what is wrong with the little creeps who shot this man?


8 posted on 09/27/2010 9:52:27 AM PDT by BamaAndy
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To: pgyanke

He was murdered at Cosco by three serial killers with badges. And to make sure he was dead, they fired additional shots into his back as he lay on his stomache in the process of dying.


9 posted on 09/27/2010 9:53:30 AM PDT by sport
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To: napscoordinator

The police said get down.

They also shouted drop your weapon. (according to the article)

They gave conflicting commands and then shot the guy for complying.


10 posted on 09/27/2010 9:54:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

They will walk on this one.


11 posted on 09/27/2010 9:55:14 AM PDT by sport
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To: Jewbacca

Just to be curious, did you really command that person to touch his weapon? If so, why?


12 posted on 09/27/2010 9:57:26 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: pgyanke

Everyone involved in the shooting and subsequent destruction of evidence needs to be indicted, tried and convicted.
Even without the video evidence, this account of what happened rings much more truthful than the reports of Erik “going on a rampage” inside the store.


13 posted on 09/27/2010 9:58:43 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: pgyanke

From observation, it seems that police unions are among the staunchest supporters of violating the 2nd Amendment and wish to disarm the public.

If they cannot accomplish this by law, then they can accomplish it by making the penalty for gun possession so severe—via public execution by cop—that people will become too afraid to exercise their right to carry. If the sentiment is that you will be shot if you carry in public, then concealed carry will cease.

It’s ironic that the police will execute a law-abiding citizen, without trial, but protect convicted murderers in prison for life with three square meals, cable tv, and conjugal visits.


14 posted on 09/27/2010 10:00:53 AM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: napscoordinator

Scott’s weapon was a Kimber 1911-type gun. It had its hammer down after the shooting, which means Scott was carrying with no round in the chamber. To fire it, he would have had to pull the gun, rack the slide, and then fire.

It may be that since he was aware it was impossible to shoot his gun without several steps, he didn’t think about how a cop - not knowing what type weapon it was - would interpret an attempt to disarm. Or maybe he thought that was the simplest was to calm things down.

Could the cop legally fire as soon as he touched the weapon? Maybe. If the cop believed his life was in danger, then yes - even ‘tho Scott obviously (in retrospect) had no intent to shoot. However, a cop so spring loaded to shoot that he didn’t notice the movements were slow, or that the gun was still in its holster (the cop who started the shooting testified he didn’t know the gun was in a holster until after the shooting was over), is a cop who needs to find a new line of work.

The cop has shot 3 times in 4 years, killing 2. There is no way he has the right temperament or judgment for being a cop.

As for the other two - if you continue to fire after the guy is face down on the ground, you aren’t ready to be a cop either. Find other work until you gain some self-control and judgment.


15 posted on 09/27/2010 10:07:13 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: pgyanke

This “account” from someone with a vested interest in the case is wildly out of step from the accounts of numerous witnesses at the Corner’s inquest.


16 posted on 09/27/2010 10:08:47 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Deaf Smith

“Just to be curious, did you really command that person to touch his weapon? If so, why?”

Yes, it was “Shows us your weapon,” and that is because that is what we were told to do.

I was a pilot for 15 years; basically a civilian pulling guard duty -— my ground training involved running away and hiding.


17 posted on 09/27/2010 10:08:54 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: pgyanke

mark


18 posted on 09/27/2010 10:09:16 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: MrB

“The police said get down.
They also shouted drop your weapon. (according to the article)
They gave conflicting commands and then shot the guy for complying.”

This should be the family attorneys opening statement....


19 posted on 09/27/2010 10:09:56 AM PDT by oust the louse (When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Can you provide links to the most credible accounts? I think that would add to the thread better than a non-specific contradiction.


20 posted on 09/27/2010 10:15:50 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke

They are targeting ex-army now.

They let the crooks keep living that carry concealed and kill the permit holder.

I believe cops like this understand law abiding people are the real enemy they face, they will be the ones that would go after crooked cops. And that these kinds of cops will start taking them out now.


21 posted on 09/27/2010 10:17:50 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pgyanke

William Mosher should be fired and his ass kicked !


22 posted on 09/27/2010 10:26:02 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Jewbacca; Deaf Smith
The smartest guy I ever saw ignored our commands to drop his weapon, instead kept his hands WAY over his head, fingers spread, turned around, then slowly dropped to his knees.

Just to be curious, did you really command that person to touch his weapon? If so, why?

Many of us are curious about that. We know why police do it. I hope it is not the same.

23 posted on 09/27/2010 10:27:29 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Mr Rogers
is a cop who needs to find a new line of work.

I suggest making license plates.

24 posted on 09/27/2010 10:31:07 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Jewbacca
“Shows us your weapon,”

1)Was that for inspection? To verify that the person is well armed & secure?

2)Like entering a Texas Gun Show, where you have to show your firearm(s) to verify that they are unloaded?

3)Or were you to disarm that person?

25 posted on 09/27/2010 10:40:17 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Mr Rogers
Yes... it is wildly out of step, unless you want to selectively pick the witnesses that are most favorable to Scott.

Examples:

"I saw Scott's shirt fly up and a gun come out," she testified. "After I heard the shot, I ran back inside and prayed I didn't get shot in the back."

Shopper Dolly Rand gave a similar account. The officer was yelling at Scott to get on the ground when Scott reached to his right side and pulled out a dark object, she said.

"It was going straight up toward the police officer," Rand said.

Steve Albright, who said he has a concealed weapons permit and has gone armed to Costco, was with his wife and two young children when he noticed Scott standing in front of an officer. Scott made an "intentional smooth move" toward his hip, which Albright recognized as someone drawing a gun.

"It was enough of a threat to leave," he said, explaining how he never saw Scott pull a weapon because he quickly spun around and headed back into the store with his family.

27 posted on 09/27/2010 10:51:50 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Secret Agent Man
I believe cops like this understand law abiding people are the real enemy they face, they will be the ones that would go after crooked cops. And that these kinds of cops will start taking them out now.

I guess the aliens will be coming for your brain as well?

28 posted on 09/27/2010 10:53:03 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


29 posted on 09/27/2010 10:53:03 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: pgyanke
Erik was carrying a legally registered concealed firearm, while he and his girlfriend were shopping at Costco. He also had a concealed carry permit in his wallet, issued by the same Metro department that killed him.

Scott was severely impaired by large amounts of drugs. Carrying a weapon in his condition was illegal.

30 posted on 09/27/2010 10:55:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Moonman62

I haven’t read the articles. What kind of drugs was he SEVERELY impaired by?


31 posted on 09/27/2010 11:07:26 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Deaf Smith

It was at a checkpoint in Gaza. He had been identified as carrying a weapon and should have declared it earlier.


32 posted on 09/27/2010 11:16:24 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Moonman62

I have seen where he was on some medication... you’re the first I’ve heard say it was illegal for him to have the gun. Can you elaborate... legally?


33 posted on 09/27/2010 11:24:26 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: freedomwarrior998
Yeah, right - Scott whipped out his .45 - IN ITS HOLSTER & knowing it couldn't be fired without racking the slide first! If you believe that, you're stupid.

Some witnesses say he reached rapidly for the gun, others slow - but I own the same type holster, and you doo NOT rapidly pull it out of your waistband.

And since it was impossible for him to fire without racking the slide, he KNEW he couldn't shoot - so he obviously wasn't trying to outdraw the already draw guns of the LVPD, was he?

Here is the picture that shows Scott's gun lying on the ground after the shooting:


34 posted on 09/27/2010 11:36:49 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Moonman62
I don't believe prescription painkillers prevent someone from carrying a gun. Nevada law reads:

1. It is unlawful for a person who:
(a) Has a concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his blood or breath; or
(b) Is under the influence of any controlled substance, or is under the combined influence of intoxicating liquor and a controlled substance, or any person who inhales, ingests, applies or otherwise uses any chemical, poison or organic solvent, or any compound or combination of any of these, to a degree which renders him incapable of safely exercising actual physical control of a firearm, to have in his actual physical possession any firearm. This prohibition does not apply to the actual physical possession of a firearm by a person who was within his personal residence and had the firearm in his possession solely for self-defense."

35 posted on 09/27/2010 11:42:11 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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"Scott’s weapon was a Kimber 1911-type gun. It had its hammer down after the shooting, which means Scott was carrying with no round in the chamber. To fire it, he would have had to pull the gun, rack the slide, and then fire."

While it's not particularly recommended for a 1911 type weapon, some folks will lower the hammer on a loaded chamber. This was actually fairly common in some law enforcement circles who didn't want the general public seeing them walking around with a "cocked" weapon. Depending on the circumstances, I do the same thing with my CZ75B which is a double action that doesn't have a decocking lever. I'm not sure if the Para-Ord 1911 types with the "Light Double Action" have a decocking lever, but they could also be carried with a hammer down on a live chamber and ready to go with just a squeeze of the trigger.

...certainly it's a trivial point, and regardless, what the LVPD did to Erik Scott appears to be completely unwarranted, and they should be charged with negligent homicide at the bare minimum.

36 posted on 09/27/2010 11:50:07 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

At a minimum, he would still have needed to pull the hammer back. I’ve never met anyone who carried a gun like that with the hammer down and a round chambered. I gather it is like carrying a Colt SA revolver with 6 rounds loaded...

I tried to look it up the other day. The only poll I found was on a LEO forum, and about 5% carried hammer down on a round in a 1911. Scott’s gun was a Kimber.


37 posted on 09/27/2010 12:11:22 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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"I gather it is like carrying a Colt SA revolver with 6 rounds loaded..."

Actually it's quite safe; the only risky part is actually pulling the trigger to lower the hammer on a live chamber. Of course, JMB designed the 1911 to be carried with a round chambered and the weapon on safe. To my knowledge, Kimber doesn't make a double action 1911-type (like Para-Ord does) so it's most likely, as you originally said he didn't even have a round chambered. In any case, Scott was unecessarily gunned down.

38 posted on 09/27/2010 12:21:07 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: machogirl
I haven’t read the articles. What kind of drugs was he SEVERELY impaired by?

He had six times the normally lethal concentration of morphine in his blood. He had one times the normally lethal concentration of Xanax in his blood. He also had other levels of drugs in his system. Combining morphine and Xanax even at normal levels can be dangerous. He either took an overdose or he obtained the drugs illegally to obtain that level in his system over an extended period of time. Morphine is tightly regulated.

The evidence was given by the coroner at the inquest. You may have to look at the pictures at the Las Vegas Sun to see the slides she presented.

39 posted on 09/27/2010 12:24:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Re my #38, "Actually it's quite safe..."

It should be clarified that's only true for the Colt 80 series and subsequent models with the firing pin safety. Older weapons should not be carried in what Jeff Cooper called "Condition Two" (hammer down on a loaded chamber).

40 posted on 09/27/2010 12:27:02 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Cops in general would be much happier if only they had guns. I speak as someone who has cops in the family.

The majority don’t believe the average gun-carrying citizen should be allowed to carry and don’t believe they are as ‘well-trained’ as they are. In fact the typical ccw holder goes to the range more often, gets more target practice, and when they have to shoot at a criminal, are much better shots without hitting bystanders, and don’t ‘pray and spray’ like the police often do.


41 posted on 09/27/2010 12:32:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: sport

I would appreciate some source to verify that accusation. It keeps being made by those who desire to inflame so at least offer a source for where you got that accusation.


42 posted on 09/27/2010 12:32:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Mr Rogers
to a degree which renders him incapable of safely exercising actual physical control of a firearm

One cashier testified that he fell onto the belt by her without tripping over anything. She said Scott told her that he was "messed up". Scott's girlfriend then propped him up with a shopping cart.

The membership clerk said that he wrote illegibly on his application and in the wrong spaces. His girlfriend ended up filling out the application for him.

Other witnesses said he had trouble walking and that his eyes were glossy or red.

Scott was unable to follow any commands by the police.

Therefore, Scott was carrying the weapon illegally according to Nevada law.

43 posted on 09/27/2010 12:34:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Peter from Rutland
The officers need to be charge with murder and put to death.

After a speedy trial, of course. Their execution needs to be very public and very soon.

44 posted on 09/27/2010 12:41:04 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Moonman62

Hmmm...Scott was able to send text messages, and had the dexterity to remove his entire holster with one hand - not always the easiest with that type holster. Maybe he wasn’t as messed up as the employees remember.

Further, I do not concede that he couldn’t obey commands. He received multiple commands. If I were exiting a store and armed cops started yelling at me, I’d be a bit confused as well...it isn’t something a law abiding person expects. And a few seconds later, they were shooting his back...

Frankly, I think the whole thing could have been avoided if the cop had just said, “Sir? Can we have a moment of your time?”


45 posted on 09/27/2010 12:41:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Moonman62; machogirl

He was taking heavy doses of prescription drugs. So was Rush Limbaugh for a while - and he talked on national radio without anyone suspecting anything. What combo is best for chronic pain, including following a recent car accident, is something for doctors to debate. Morphine used in pain control controls pain. It enables the person taking it, not disables.

There are some interesting arguments both for and against here:

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?113550-Carrying-while-taking-Medication

What was STUPID was when they testified that Scott was taking lethal doses...if they had been lethal, the cops wouldn’t have had a chance to shoot him.


46 posted on 09/27/2010 12:52:13 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers
I don't believe prescription painkillers prevent someone from carrying a gun. Nevada law reads:

1. It is unlawful for a person who:
(a) Has a concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his blood or breath; or
(b) Is under the influence of any controlled substance, or is under the combined influence of intoxicating liquor and a controlled substance, or any person who inhales, ingests, applies or otherwise uses any chemical, poison or organic solvent, or any compound or combination of any of these, to a degree which renders him incapable of safely exercising actual physical control of a firearm, to have in his actual physical possession any firearm. This prohibition does not apply to the actual physical possession of a firearm by a person who was within his personal residence and had the firearm in his possession solely for self-defense."

Well, according to the NV law then NO PERSON may legally carry a gun, unless able to do so without breathing. After all, Oxygen is a chemical and it is used in biological processes, therefore every breathing human being cannot legally carry a firearm in NV.

That's what the law says; perhaps not what it was meant to say, but that is irrelevant. We can now persecute and/or prosecute the police officers for violating that selfsame law.

Also note that "any person who inhales, ingests [...] any compound or combination of any of these" applies to those who drink water, or tea, or coffee, or milk, or juice, or soda....

47 posted on 09/27/2010 12:57:34 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Correct.


48 posted on 09/27/2010 1:15:23 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Even if everything you say is correct, it doesn’t matter what he was trying to do. All that matters is how his actions would have been interpreted by a reasonable officer taking into account their training and experience. Training and experience tells you to fire the moment that someone goes for a gun. You do not wait for an explanation of their motives. As was pointed out by some of the witnesses who also had CCWs, they were also taught this in CCW class.


49 posted on 09/27/2010 1:15:40 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Secret Agent Man
Cops in general would be much happier if only they had guns. I speak as someone who has cops in the family. The majority don’t believe the average gun-carrying citizen should be allowed to carry and don’t believe they are as ‘well-trained’ as they are. In fact the typical ccw holder goes to the range more often, gets more target practice, and when they have to shoot at a criminal, are much better shots without hitting bystanders, and don’t ‘pray and spray’ like the police often do.

Categorically false, your anecdotal "evidence" notwithstanding. Polls of police officers showed that the overwhelming majority not only support the right to keep and bear arms, but also that most would ignore any orders/law that required them to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens.

50 posted on 09/27/2010 1:18:21 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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