Posted on 12/02/2010 8:44:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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Just imagine if this occurred in a state that did not have the death penalty.
Zero justice...
It reminds me of the Nazi saboteurs that were caught of the coasts of FL and NY (I think LI) in June of 1942. They were set ashore by U-Boat, on a mission to blow up military and civilian targets on US soil. They were apprehended virtually immediately, and none had been able to attempt their acts of sabotage, let alone successfully complete them.
They were all tried by military commission (yep, military commission), and all were found guilty. One man, a US national named Quirin became the defendant in the famous US Supreme Court case Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942). His life was sparred eventually, as was another US national who was caught. But, the remaining 8 (or 6, I can't remember) were executed as a result of the commission's guilty verdict. They were hanged until death in Washington DC on August 8, 1942 - roughly 9 weeks after they had been apprehended.
Today, we have people at Guantanamo that not only attempted sabotage and murder against America and her citizens, but were actually successful. None have been put to death, almost 10-years later.
I believe FDR made some remark about not wanting some sonofabitch filing a Habeus Corpus writ in that case.
Thank goodness! I know prosecutors make some crazy deals, but I honestly couldn’t see even a CT prosecutor making a deal with this guy!
You are correct. I am talking about convictions and sentencing after the 1972 decision. If you look at the current Florida Death Row roster, there are condemned murderers sitting on Death Row now who have been there for over 35 years, some who did their killing in the 60’s but were convicted and sentenced years later.
I believe that. FDR was a progressive pseudo-socialist who didn't hate his country. I'm pretty sure his kind are now extinct.
The other thing about this case, is that the commissions were held ENTIRELY in secret. Can you imagine being able to pull that off today?
The Constitution explicitly forbids ex-post facto laws. Any attempt to execute someone for a crime commited in the 1960’s using a law passed in 1972 would seem to me to run afoul of the Constitution. You have to be tried under the laws in effect at the time of the crime.
The complete phrase is "guilty beyond peradventure (= chance) of doubt."
Regards,
I stand corrected on one point. One of the killers did commit his 1st Murder 1 in 1966 and got life. He was mercifully freed and did an encore performance in ‘78. He has been on Death Row since ‘81 for that one.
On the other point, I stand by my statement. There are numerous guys on Death Row since mid-70’s, one guy since ‘74. Several of these guys could be on Social Security.
At the very beginning of this subject, you must thoroughly understand that it means the doubt of a reasonable man who is earnestly seeking the truth. It does not mean the doubt of a man who is earnestly looking for doubts. It means such a doubt that exists in the mind of a juror after there has been, on his part, an honest and conscientious effort to ascertain the truth. It does not mean a doubt beyond all peradventure. Neither does it mean beyond all imaginary or possible doubt, because everything relating to human affairs and human evidence is open to some possible or imaginary doubt.
I like it.
The judge should have said: “Only God may have mercy on your soul because I won’t. Have a nice day.”
BTW, good point, thanks.
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