Posted on 12/03/2010 9:40:21 AM PST by OldDeckHand
>>Weight is not the determining factor. If it were, our huge aircraft couldn’t fly. Form is the determining factor. For example, Pterosaur bones were hollow and air filled, like the bones of birds. They had keeled breastbones that supported flight muscles and specialized respiratory systems. Even the brain region that integrates signals from joints, muscles, skin and balance organs was larger than that of any other known vertebrate — 7.5% of total brain mass as compared to 1% to 2% in modern birds. <<
Actually, that is an apples to oranges comparison. Airplanes were not a practical idea until someone came up with the idea of a propulsion method other than flapping the wings. And the vertical stabilizer was a huge help to. My point is that aircraft are constructed differently than living things. And even then there would be a maximum weight, though it would be pretty heavy.
The simple fact is that, with a living thing, including hollow bones, complete with strengthening struts, as well as all the other methods that flying creatures have been designed to efficiently fly, there is a limit at which point for every pound of flesh and bone added, you get less than a pound of lift.
That is why all the theories about these animals being gliders are being bandied about. It is accepted that, under our current physical laws, gravity and atmospheric density, they would not be able to fly. This means that either a) they did not fly (hence the “glider” theories) or b) conditions were such that they could fly. Same goes for the giant dinosaurs that I mentioned in 2a of my previous post.
Yes, a form of the “glider” stuff I was talking about. Here is another interesting link: http://the-wanderling.com/giantbirds2.html
This is interesting as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus
Fact is, these things are an enigma. There is something we still don’t know about their flight and some of the theories are kinda silly. The “flightless” one is an example. If they were flightless, they would seem to be easy prey to creatures not burdened by those huge wings. I over-simplify, but you get the gist.
Are you sure that isn’t a nesting Great Bustard?
Oxygen content was much higher back then.
I hope she/it is not nesting. That means there could be more of them.
Your so-called gap theory explanation strains exegetical credibility, especially in Jeremiah. If you were to read the entire book, recognize the historical context and background of Jeremiah ... you would see that all throughout the book God is describing Israel, Jerusalem, et. al., after He executes His judgment in the Babylonian exile. It will be desolate, without inhabitant, devoid of man or beast.
As far as the language being used here, as we have discussed before, it is routine for God to explain the future by jumping ahead of the event and describing what will happen as if it occurred in the past; thereby declaring the absolute assurance of the coming event.
You claim I am ignorant because I don't see correlations between obscure passages with questionable hermeneutics with which to merge them with. Rather, I see the basic teaching of Romans which declares that both sin and death entered the world because of Adam. Prior to that ... no death. If there was a flood before Adam then there would have been death ... I doubt you would claim more insight than the apostle Paul.
Your point is there have been animal species that have gone extinct since the flood. But the 'thread' is about putting dinosaurs on Noah's Ark as if it is a fact.
There is no 'gap' other than what is allowed in our own flesh retrieval memory banks. Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, 'See, this is new?' it hath been already of *OLD* time, which was before us.
Here is that *GAP* 11 There is NO remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
There is no literal gap, but a gap in that no one has a remembrance they can tap into in their flesh mind. But as Christ said Take heed Behold I have foretold you all things, we can as Paul said have a glimpse when the literal physical evidence is analyzed by what we are told by the holy prophets and the writers of what is commonly called the new testament... And there was no OLD time dinosaurs placed upon this earth in this flesh age, to be housed by Noah when he was instructed to build that ark.
Jeremiah was in Judah, as the House of Israel had already been sent into captivity to the Assyrian king nearly two hundred years before the House of Judah got sent to Babylon. Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of *divorce*; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
verse 16 of Chapter 3 has NOT happened yet, or 17 etc.
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." (Ephesians 1:4 and Romans 8) There can be no doubt that Paul was very well versed in what God had Jeremiah pen and Peter as well for that matter.
Paul went so far to tell us that we already have the 'script' when he says in ICorinthians 10 in particular verse 11 Now *ALL* these things happened unto them for ensamples: (examples) and they are written for our admonition (warning) upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.
Before 'the' Adam ever sinned in this flesh age, the devil had already rebelled and been judged to 'death', and yet he is not literally dead, yet. And the 'devil' symbolized that tree of the knowledge of good and evil... Yet up to the point we are told of this symbolic tree being placed in the midst of the Garden of God, everything described created/formed was called good.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; *THAT* through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
When did God create the 'souls' of all his children... The soul/spirit is what is judged on judgment day and God keeps that record, certainly not flesh man and the record extends all the way back to when Lucifer rebelled and drew a third of God's children with him.
As far as the language being used here, as we have discussed before, it is routine for God to explain the future by jumping ahead of the event and describing what will happen as if it occurred in the past; thereby declaring the absolute assurance of the coming event. You claim I am ignorant because I don't see correlations between obscure passages with questionable hermeneutics with which to merge them with. Rather, I see the basic teaching of Romans which declares that both sin and death entered the world because of Adam. Prior to that ... no death. If there was a flood before Adam then there would have been death ... I doubt you would claim more insight than the apostle Paul.
What in the world are you talking about?
Flesh retrieval memory banks? ...
It is going to be interesting to see where on the 500' long Ark, they're going to secure the two 25-ton Apatosaurus. Maybe they'll strap them to the deck like dead dear. The 60' tall Sauroposeidons should be an interesting storage decision as well.LOL! I'm not gonna add this to or ping the GGG list. Is that wrong? ;')
I'm sure they've got it all figured out.
NO!
What is your earliest memory? Do you remember your birth? Now just because you do not remember something does not mean it did not happen and is not recorded somewhere in your brain. So there is a 'gap' in the memory. People get all hung up on the flesh body and disregard that the flesh body is the vessel that houses the soul and the soul returns to the Maker that sent it when the flesh dies. What do you think Solomon was talking about in Ecclesiastes when he said 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after..
Moses was not walking this earth when he penned Genesis, so you think he was writing from his memory? So where was Moses from Genesis 1 to Exodus 2? Certainly his flesh was not on this earth but where was his 'soul/spirit' as Moses was certainly predestined to be born when he was and placed in that ark of bulrushes...
Now why would Paul write in Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, (Rebecca) "The elder shall serve the younger." (Imagine that all those thousands of years later the promise to Rebecca is still being fulfilled.)
13 As it is written, "Jacob have I love, but Esau have I hated."
Do you think God formed Esau just so he would hate him, or did God have cause to hate Esau before Esau ever was born in a flesh body?
What did Esau do that caused God to hate him? And when did Esau do whatever he did to have it be written for us to read all these thousands of years later that God hated him before he was ever born having done good or evil... It sure was not Esau's flesh body that was being discussed.
The dinos that existed in Genesis 1:1 died out in the overthrow/casting down as is described in Genesis 1:2. They were NOT here on this earth for Noah to place them on the ark.
Why does it take 900 men (and $150M) to build this Ark. Noah did it with 8 persons.
This is a little different take on the gap theory than I am used to.
What do you think Solomon was talking about in Ecclesiastes when he said 1:11
Reading in context shows that Solomon is partially answering the question he poses in verse 3. "What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun?"
Do you not see that his point is that despite all mans efforts, he is not able to change those things which are unchangeable? Your twisting of verse 11 into your full blown 'flesh memory' teaching is the stangest thing that I have ever seen.
Moses was not walking this earth when he penned Genesis, so you think he was writing from his memory?
No, he was not writing from his memory (as you are seeming to claim) ... he was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit. We have no knowledge whether he used any sources or if he received the material purely under inspiration.
What did Esau do that caused God to hate him? And when did Esau do whatever he did to have it be written for us to read all these thousands of years later that God hated him before he was ever born having done good or evil... It sure was not Esau's flesh body that was being discussed.
Do you understand who God is? Do you have any understanding of His divine attributes? His eternal power? His omniscience? Do you not realize that since God is the Almighty One that He possesses knowledge about the future that we are incapable of understanding? God hated Esau before He was born because He knew (because He is God) what manner of person Esau would become, what choices he would make. Same with Jeremiah ... He knew him in the womb because He is God and He knows what kind of person Jeremiah would be. You are seriously fantasizing interpretations of the text that are just not there. Paul called it "vain imaginations."
The dinos that existed in Genesis 1:1 died out in the overthrow/casting down as is described in Genesis 1:2. They were NOT here on this earth for Noah to place them on the ark.
And I continue to ask for ANY exegetical evidence for your preconceived notion here. You are making a blanket statement without any evidence whatsoever.
I think its best that I give up at this point ...
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