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This Existed? New Creationism Theme Park Plans To Put Dinosaurs On Noah’s Ark
Mediaite.com ^ | 12/03/2010 | Ray Rahman

Posted on 12/03/2010 9:40:21 AM PST by OldDeckHand

Yesterday, Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear announced that his state’s Creationism Museum will soon be joined by a creationism theme park named “Ark Encounter,” making Kentucky the unofficial creationism capital of our 6,000-year-old world. Some of the “edutainment” promised by the park include a Walled City, a Tower of Babel, and a “500-foot-long wooden replica of Noah’s Ark” that, as was revealed in the press conference, will feature dinosaurs.

A representative from Answers in Genesis, the group that will operate the theme park, stepped in yesterday when Gov. Beshear was asked by a reporter, “Will there be dinosaurs on the Ark?” The representative, who seemed better prepped on the issue than did Kentucky’s Democratic governor, replied,

"Well, you know the position of Answers in Genesis so you can probably answer that yourself. We’ll have appropriate animals on the ark based on—I’m sure we’ll have representative kinds of animals on the ark, to include dinosaurs."

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: answersingenesis; arkencounter; creation; creationismmuseum; kentucky; noah; noahsark; science; stevebeshear; towerofbabel
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It is going to be interesting to see where on the 500' long Ark, they're going to secure the two 25-ton Apatosaurus. Maybe they'll strap them to the deck like dead dear. The 60' tall Sauroposeidons should be an interesting storage decision as well.

I'm sure they've got it all figured out.

1 posted on 12/03/2010 9:40:25 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Must.
Not.
Post.

Fingers.
On.
Keyboard.
Rebelling.

Defintely.
NO.
“Jesus riding Dino.”
Pic.

NONONO!!


2 posted on 12/03/2010 9:44:05 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: OldDeckHand

3 posted on 12/03/2010 9:44:12 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: OldDeckHand

Reality:

As long as there are fundie nut-jobs out there, there will be plenty of grifters to service that market.


4 posted on 12/03/2010 9:44:55 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( Sarah Palin / Marco Rubio - a "can't lose" ticket for 2012..)
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To: OldDeckHand
It is going to be interesting to see where on the 500' long Ark, they're going to secure the two 25-ton Apatosaurus. Maybe they'll strap them to the deck like dead dear. The 60' tall Sauroposeidons should be an interesting storage decision as well.

I'm sure they've got it all figured out.

I was once a young-earth Creationist, but I'm not any more. That said, given their premise, don't you think it's possible they would have taken juveniles on board rather than full-size adults for many of the larger animals? Or did Noah and God lack that sort of problem-solving ability?

5 posted on 12/03/2010 9:46:21 AM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: OldDeckHand

So Democrat Governor Steve Beshear approves of the investment of the Creation Museum? This is odd behavior for a Democrat, even in a Commonwealth.


6 posted on 12/03/2010 9:47:55 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: freedumb2003

In the Bible they called dinosaurs donkeys...

7 posted on 12/03/2010 9:48:20 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Job 40: 15-19

“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.


8 posted on 12/03/2010 9:51:36 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: xjcsa
And since juveniles cannot pro-create yet ... its at least a possibility that all the animals on the ark were juveniles.
9 posted on 12/03/2010 9:51:53 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: OldDeckHand

10 posted on 12/03/2010 9:52:29 AM PST by keat
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To: xjcsa
"That said, given their premise, don't you think it's possible they would have taken juveniles on board rather than full-size adults for many of the larger animals? "

Sure. Juveniles. That works.

Of course, I'm not entirely sure how Noah and his boys wrested control of these multi-ton juveniles from the protection of their enormous parents. And, I'm also curious how Noah collected these juveniles from the only place on the planet they existed, the Southern Gulf States of the (as yet) discovered new continent of America, and transported them back across the ocean without falling off the face of the flat-earth.

Other than that, yes I think "juvenile" dinos are completely rational.

11 posted on 12/03/2010 9:52:57 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: RobRoy

>>“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.<<

Sounds like my ex-wife.


12 posted on 12/03/2010 9:53:16 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: OldDeckHand

I’ve said it before. Australian con artists are the best.


13 posted on 12/03/2010 9:54:27 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: OldDeckHand
This is perfect:


14 posted on 12/03/2010 9:55:51 AM PST by NorCoGOP (OBAMA: Living proof that hope is not a plan.)
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To: freedumb2003

hehehe. I posted that on the wrong thread. ;)

I’m sure we can make it fit here somehow though. :)


15 posted on 12/03/2010 9:56:39 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: null and void

Um...wow.


16 posted on 12/03/2010 9:57:04 AM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: RobRoy

It fits perfectly — the passage seems to be describing a ‘raptor.


17 posted on 12/03/2010 9:58:44 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: keat

Geez you just beat me with the same thing!


18 posted on 12/03/2010 9:59:43 AM PST by NorCoGOP (OBAMA: Living proof that hope is not a plan.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Sure. Juveniles. That works.

Yeah, it does. But that doesn't fit your agenda.

19 posted on 12/03/2010 9:59:51 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: xjcsa

Yeah...


20 posted on 12/03/2010 9:59:58 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Lots of hatred for young earth creationists here on FR.

I’ll be happy to wear a yellow star if that makes anyone here feel better.


21 posted on 12/03/2010 10:00:15 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: freedumb2003
"Sounds like my ex-wife."

LOL

22 posted on 12/03/2010 10:00:25 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: freedumb2003

Raptors eat grass?


23 posted on 12/03/2010 10:00:54 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: freedumb2003
>>It fits perfectly — the passage seems to be describing a ‘raptor.<<

I disagree. It eats grass like an oxen. I'm thinking maybe something like this:


24 posted on 12/03/2010 10:02:54 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: null and void

>>Raptors eat grass?<<

When properly tamed...


25 posted on 12/03/2010 10:03:23 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: fishtank
"Lots of hatred for young earth creationists here on FR."

I don't think anyone hates YEC. But, when someone says something so facially absurd as this guy did (who happens to be standing next to a Governor at an official press-conference), it's going to be met with absurdity.

Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark is about as facially absurd as it gets, especially when it's said in the context of a "museum".

26 posted on 12/03/2010 10:03:38 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: fishtank

Not necessary... a dunce cap works fine....


27 posted on 12/03/2010 10:04:27 AM PST by Bones75
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To: dartuser
"But that doesn't fit your agenda. "

You're right. My agenda is rational critical thinking. And no, it doesn't fit, for a lot of reasons beyond just the two that I mentioned.

28 posted on 12/03/2010 10:05:25 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark is about as facially absurd as it gets ...

I assume you mean a priori.

29 posted on 12/03/2010 10:07:11 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: freedumb2003

Too bad their digestive tracts can’t process grass well enough to extract any meaningful amounts of nutrition from it.

It would be like trying to get your kitty cat to live on grass (hint, cats are obligate carnivores, they will starve on a vegetarian diet).

Oh, and grasses didn’t emerge until after the K-T boundary...


30 posted on 12/03/2010 10:08:33 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Of course, I'm not entirely sure how Noah and his boys wrested control of these multi-ton juveniles from the protection of their enormous parents. And, I'm also curious how Noah collected these juveniles from the only place on the planet they existed, the Southern Gulf States of the (as yet) discovered new continent of America, and transported them back across the ocean without falling off the face of the flat-earth.

Haven't you ever seen "The Dog Whisperer?" Same technique. I think you do the "hook 'em horns" pointing the finger and thumb at the animal, and then stare into the eyes of the dino. They then follow like puppies.

The biggest question never answered was which of Noah's sons had to shovel out the bottom floor? I would think dino dung would need a skiploader!

31 posted on 12/03/2010 10:08:33 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: OldDeckHand

Dinosaurs? They’re gonna need a bigger boat.


32 posted on 12/03/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: freedumb2003

Shem. He always got the sh!t jobs...


33 posted on 12/03/2010 10:10:46 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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Too bad their digestive tracts can’t process grass well enough to extract any meaningful amounts of nutrition from it.

Well, I never said they lasted very long that way.

It is like the guy who kept coming into the country store to buy chicks every week and, when asked why so many, replied "They won't grow! I am either burying them to deep or too close together."

34 posted on 12/03/2010 10:10:49 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: OldDeckHand
The scriptural inference is that the animals came to Noah, not that Noah went out and rounded them up. Look at Genesis 6 - 19 and following.

19. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.

"Noah and his boys" wouldn't have to wrest them from their parents. Even, in this day and age we see animals behaving strangely just prior to natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, and tsunamis. So it is not entirely inconceivable that they would've acted similarly in those days. Most folks concept of of God is way too small, even folks that consider themselves to be Christians. We tend to put God in a box, and place the same physical, spiritual, and mental limitations on Him that we ourselves experience, and in some cases we think we know better. If God is God, then He can work outside of our limitations, even the perceived limitations that we place on Him. If sovereign God wanted the dinosaurs on the ark, they would have been there, regardless of what our "superior intellect" tells us.

35 posted on 12/03/2010 10:11:04 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: keat

love this one!


36 posted on 12/03/2010 10:11:48 AM PST by sappy (criminalibs)
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To: freedumb2003
Well, I never said they lasted very long that way.

EXCELLENT!

That would explain why they are extinct!

37 posted on 12/03/2010 10:12:11 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Bones75

>>Not necessary... a dunce cap works fine....<<

Careful! If this gets moved to F-religion there will be a flood the likes of which hasn’t been seen since the Paul-bot flood of 2007-2008!


38 posted on 12/03/2010 10:12:44 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: dartuser

im a yec, and proud of it.....

i love the ‘scientifc’ gyrations and philosophy masquerading as ‘science’ in an all out effort to avoid the plain meaning of God’s word.....


39 posted on 12/03/2010 10:13:11 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: OldDeckHand
You're right. My agenda is rational critical thinking.

Ah ... the appeal to rational critical thinking ... which per assumption only your side can engage in lol.

Perhaps you would like to go into the reasons why you believe a pair of dinos on an ark should be dismissed out-of-hand.

40 posted on 12/03/2010 10:13:22 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: OldDeckHand

Sounds like a fun place to visit.


41 posted on 12/03/2010 10:14:34 AM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: P8riot
"The scriptural inference is that the animals came to Noah"

I see. "God did it". Are you familiar with the expression, deus ex machina?

You're telling me that juvenile dinosaurs swam almost 6K miles to arrive near the place Noah was building his Ark?

It's tough to have a critical examination of this story, or any story when questions about the physical impossibility of a certain element of that story is met with, "God did it".

42 posted on 12/03/2010 10:15:51 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m a 100% believer in the Ark story, and in Dinosaurs, but trying to make an argument for the “ young earth” theory by placing them on the Ark is just too stupid beyond belief and makes Christians look like idiots. I don’t know how old the earth actually is, or when in the time line Dino’s actually roamed the earth, but let’s not make things up just to win the creation argument.


43 posted on 12/03/2010 10:16:36 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: dartuser
"Perhaps you would like to go into the reasons why you believe a pair of dinos on an ark should be dismissed out-of-hand. "

I did. See post #11.

45 posted on 12/03/2010 10:17:33 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: fishtank

>>Lots of hatred for young earth creationists here on FR.<<

I’m not a “young earther” per-se, but I do think it’s kinda comical how people talk about what had to have happened back then when none of us really knows. And two things:

1. If one saw Adam ten minutes after he was created, how old would you guess he “looked”? Based on what is in the bible, I infer that he would appear to be a full grown adult even though he was just created. So why can an omnipotent God not do the same with all of creation? It’s at least worth considering.

2. There was something weird going on in the distant past and I can give examples: We have found the skeletons of flying creatures that would have been well over 200 lbs in weight, yet it is physically impossible for such a creature to fly in our current environment. The maximum weight for a living creature to fly under its own power is approximately 35 lbs. After that it takes more than a lb of flesh to get a lb of lift. Yet these creatures existed and the comical efforts to explain them away as “gliders” are an example of just how far some scientists will go to explain away what is right in front of their face.

2a. And more on that is the larger dinosaurs. Just as a flying animal cannot exceed ~35 lbs, animals the size of creatures like the brontosaurus could not have supported their own weight on the skeletons we have found. And they would not have been able to lift their heads on the necks we have on the skeletons. They would have drug their neck like an alligator drags its tail. And the blood pressure problem that has been solved in the giraff would be many times multiplied. Either they would pass out every time they DID try to lift their head, or the blood pressure would have to be so high at the head that the feet would explode. As the giraff has very complicated blood pressure management, the problems are significantly compounded with the Brontosaurus.

What do the above oddities mean? Well, some have suggested that air pressure was significantly greater back then, giving the flyers more lift. But the one that holds the most promise is that gravity was simply much weaker back then, for some reason. Seeing as how some scientists now theorize that gravity is basically a very strong force “leaking” into our dimension from another, this would imply that it didn’t “leak quite as bad” back then. ;)

My point is not that the theories above are right or wrong. My point is that we don’t know. And, honestly, the six day creation thing may or may not be what we see as “six days”. My faith in Jesus does not depend on it being six earth days or even “six earth days back then” or “six ‘God’ days”. But I do believe that God created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures that walk on it in “six days”.

I’m anxious to find out the “whole story” on this and many other things when I go to meet the Lord. Finally, I’ll know for sure who shot Kennedy.


46 posted on 12/03/2010 10:20:45 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: fishtank

Funny no one here seems to have a problem with a metrosexual mouse and his “girlfriend” of seventy years having half a dozen theme parks.


48 posted on 12/03/2010 10:26:39 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: OldDeckHand

The only documentation on the subject is from scripture. Human efforts to rationalize God out of it depend only upon human intellect that is fraught with presuppositions, and the resultant “evidence” that is tainted by that view. To immediately dismiss the concept of God in this case limits you, not him, or the accounts in scripture. You are putting yourself in a box, whether you realize it or not.


49 posted on 12/03/2010 10:26:55 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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Well, some have suggested that air pressure was significantly greater back then, giving the flyers more lift.

That's my contention, a goodly chunk of the atmosphere was blown off by the Chicxulub strike and subsequent steam jet as ocean poured into a 120 mile wide white hot crater.

But the one that holds the most promise is that gravity was simply much weaker back then, for some reason. Seeing as how some scientists now theorize that gravity is basically a very strong force “leaking” into our dimension from another, this would imply that it didn’t “leak quite as bad” back then. ;)

That is a very intriguing thought.

50 posted on 12/03/2010 10:29:30 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 681 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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