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24 Countries That Have Smarter Children Than America
Business Insider ^ | 12/07/2010 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 12/07/2010 7:43:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

America's children rate embarrassingly low again on the latest round of scholastic tests from the OECD.

The Program for International Student Assessment, which is released every three years, tests 15-year-old students in reading, math and science.

Basically, America earned a "C." We tied the OECD average rating of 496. Teenagers in East Asia and Europe scored significantly higher.

There's one caveat to these scores. Some countries test a irregularly narrow sample of kids. Like China -- which we're not counting in our ranking because its sample of 5,100 Shanghai teenagers scored ridiculously high.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: children; education; iq
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1 posted on 12/07/2010 7:43:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

but how well can they recite feminist doctrine? That’s the only subject that matters...


2 posted on 12/07/2010 7:45:26 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Soothesayer

No, you forgot Global Warming. How’d they score on that?


3 posted on 12/07/2010 7:47:32 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Set high standards
2. Maintain discipline
3. Involve the parents

Our schools lower the standards to meet lack of attainment; refuse to maintain discipline; and the parents are not involved.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 7:47:43 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SeekAndFind

Smarter or better educated? There’s a difference.


5 posted on 12/07/2010 7:48:38 AM PST by mancini
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d stack up our three-year-olds with their skills in operating TV remote controls, computers, and touch screen smart phones with any nation under the sun. They are awesome!

If our teenagers ever got a decent night’s sleep, they’d score better than they do on these international tests.


6 posted on 12/07/2010 7:49:06 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

If we're so dumb they can give us our Intarwebz back.

7 posted on 12/07/2010 7:49:31 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, if those other countries were to import 1M(or more) children every decade (illegally) and if they had a permanently privileged class of minorities who were are told everyday that someone owes them something, then I suppose they too would be struggling to educate their kids.

Everyone one of those countries have restrictive immigration laws (and citizenship laws, for that matter). It's no coincidence their education system(s) are better.

8 posted on 12/07/2010 7:49:47 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: SeekAndFind

Smarter? I doubt it. Better educated? Yes. More ambitious? Absolutely.

Liberal parenting (not liberal parents, but the whole “time-out” crowd who think they can reason with a 2 year old), political indoctrination disguised as education, and the nanny state sense of entitlement have destroyed our kids.


9 posted on 12/07/2010 7:49:55 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: SeekAndFind
By 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. Blacks have an out of wedlock birthrate of 71% and Hispanics 50%. The school dropout rates for both groups is more than 50%. This is the social pathology for failure in our society.

The rapid demographic changes in this country fueled by our immigration policies are destroying our education system along with the NEA and liberal indoctrination.

10 posted on 12/07/2010 7:51:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

America has a bi-modal population. It’s stupid to try to compare averages.


11 posted on 12/07/2010 7:52:11 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Public schools have made social engineering (in a liberal mode) their priority, over developing self-sufficient, productive students.


12 posted on 12/07/2010 7:53:08 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: kabar

RE: By 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG


Would it be racist to find out WHICH group in the USA is pulling our averages down?

Remember this — countries like Finland, Japan, South Korea and Hongkong (OK, not a country but still...) have HOMOGENEOUS populations, unlike the USA.

Australia, even with aborigines included in the mix is still OVERWHELMINGLY White ( with a lot of Asians too ).


13 posted on 12/07/2010 7:56:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Megan McCain is killing our average.


14 posted on 12/07/2010 7:57:57 AM PST by earlJam
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To: OldDeckHand

RE: Well, if those other countries were to import 1M(or more) children every decade (illegally) and if they had a permanently privileged class of minorities who were are told everyday that someone owes them something, then I suppose they too would be struggling to educate their kids.


Countries like the Netherlands has a huge and growing Muslim population. They still score higher than our kids on average.


15 posted on 12/07/2010 7:58:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Solution is simple:

1) Make every school an independent entity with no government interference.

2) Give every child's family a voucher for the average amount spent on public school (~$10,000 a year, private school is approximately half ~$5,000 with better results) to go to whatever school they want. Let the market work.

3) School system will be the envy of the world within 3 years.

16 posted on 12/07/2010 8:01:53 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: SeekAndFind; Revolting cat!

Americans screwdents can put a condom on a banana and roll a joint in under 30 seconds.


17 posted on 12/07/2010 8:01:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t forget, the testing standards are probably not the same between the US and these other nations; our rivals test only their best - we test every one.


18 posted on 12/07/2010 8:04:11 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The headline is misleading. It’s not a matter of “smarts.” It’s about agenda-centric “education” pushed by leftist teacher unions and their progressive sponsors. America is in its educational hole because it chooses to be there. Only when representatives who will take a stronger stand on this subject will the tailspin come to an end.


19 posted on 12/07/2010 8:05:07 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA
Only when representatives

Should read, "Only when we elect representatives"

20 posted on 12/07/2010 8:06:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: SeekAndFind
'Countries like the Netherlands has a huge and growing Muslim population. "

I should have specified Latin American immigrants.

They do have a Muslim population (roughly 5% of the country). BUT, Muslims who immigrate do have a long history of educational excellence. In fact, it's one of the reasons they immigrate in the first place.

We have immigrants who come to this country - legally - and excel in school. Why? Because their parents have gone through a tremendous amount of trouble to get here, again - legally. The ones who just sneak over the border as they please, don't have that same investment.

Immigration isn't the problem. Illegal immigration is the problem, and NONE of those countries suffer the same kind of illegal immigration troubles we do.

21 posted on 12/07/2010 8:07:13 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Little Ray

RE: our rivals test only their best - we test every one.

That’s why I asked the question in POST #10 above. But then it would be considered racist to even ask that question.

If an MIT professor would feel nauseated and angered at Larry Summers musing about why fewer female students get into the math and sciences... what kind of reaction do you think merely ASKING the above question would elicit?


22 posted on 12/07/2010 8:07:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: a fool in paradise
Americans screwdents can put a condom on a banana and roll a joint in under 30 seconds.

... and sing praise songs about 0bama.

23 posted on 12/07/2010 8:08:00 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t speak to the rest of the country, but here in CA we have just over 6 million K-12 students and over half are poor performing students directly or indirectly derived from 1/3rd world countries. Little wonder the statistics are driven down.


24 posted on 12/07/2010 8:08:27 AM PST by umgud
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To: SeekAndFind
The Program for International Student Assessment, which is released every three years, tests 15-year-old students in reading, math and science.

I see the problem, our students weren't tested in "self-esteem". If that were the case, our averages would be tops in the world!

25 posted on 12/07/2010 8:12:12 AM PST by ssaftler ("Politically Correct" is neither!)
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To: FreedomProtector
Give every child's family a voucher for the average amount spent on public school

Give. Give. Give. It won't work.

We we stop giving 15-year old illiterate teenagers money to pop out babies we could maybe stabilize our IQ drain.

26 posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:35 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not sure why anyone would be surprised. We have had decades of dumbing down curricula in an attempt to make all ethnic groups score the same. The only way to accomplish that is to bring all down to crappy.


27 posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:36 AM PST by gthog61
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To: OldDeckHand

Are home schooled students tested as well or do they fall between the cracks in such rankings?

In other nations where a sizeable percentage may not even attend school, I doubt that they test those who are not schooled.

Sort of works both sides of the equation against the US.


28 posted on 12/07/2010 8:14:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: ScottinVA

MMM MMM MMMM!


29 posted on 12/07/2010 8:15:41 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: ladyjane

We already give them that much to go to a state mandated prison of incompetence and political correctness.

If we are going to subsidize education, it should be a market system.


30 posted on 12/07/2010 8:17:26 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: SeekAndFind
Would it be racist to find out WHICH group in the USA is pulling our averages down?

We already know. Clearly blacks and Hispanics are not performing as well as whites and asians. There is plenty of documentation that substantiate it. Single family households, poor urban schools, poverty, etc. contribute to what is fast becoming a permanent underclass.

Hispanics account for all youth growth since '00--Hispanics accounted for all the growth in the youth population in the past decade. In 2000, Hispanics made up 17 percent of the U.S. population under age 20. They now represent somewhere between 22 and 25 percent of that age group.

31 posted on 12/07/2010 8:18:04 AM PST by kabar
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To: earlJam

I vote for #14 as ‘post of the day.’


32 posted on 12/07/2010 8:20:45 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: OldDeckHand
Legal immigration is also a problem. We bring in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year. 25% of adult legal immigrants don't have a high school diploma. 53% of immigrant headed households are on welfare. 50% to 60% of illegals don't have a high school degree. We are importing poverty, legally and illegally.
33 posted on 12/07/2010 8:26:03 AM PST by kabar
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To: a fool in paradise
Americans screwdents can put a condom on a banana and roll a joint in under 30 seconds.

You are right. It depends on what the tests cover.

Smart is as smart does.

34 posted on 12/07/2010 8:29:45 AM PST by Ole Okie (American.)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Are home schooled students tested as well or do they fall between the cracks in such rankings?"

I don't know. It would not surprise me if some states have testing requirements for home-schoolers, but I don't think that the "No Child Left Behind" program tests home-schoolers (could be wrong). So, it's likely they aren't counted

"In other nations where a sizable percentage may not even attend school, I doubt that they test those who are not schooled."

That's certainly true in countries like Cuba, who claim farcical literacy rates of 100%. But, just going through that list, I didn't see any country that would quite so cavalier in their reporting.

However, I remember reading last year that the UK drop-out rate was at an all-time high at something just under 10%. By comparison, the US drop-out rate is right around 8%, which would indicate that we measuring some kids (probably at the lower testing margins) than the UK would, simply by virtue that their drop-out rate is a bit more.

35 posted on 12/07/2010 8:30:54 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: TheThirdRuffian; SeekAndFind; kittymyrib
America has a bi-modal population. It’s stupid to try to compare averages.

Even if America had a uni-modal population, we would still be pretty far down in the list because doing well academically is not something that is respected in our popular culture or the culture of the average high school.

36 posted on 12/07/2010 8:34:09 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Little Ray

You really think a number of Asian and European countries don’t have kids outperforming ours?


37 posted on 12/07/2010 8:36:09 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Only 24?


38 posted on 12/07/2010 8:38:05 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm...Poland placed 18th...somehow, all those jokes don’t seem as funny anymore...


39 posted on 12/07/2010 8:38:08 AM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: SeekAndFind

As long as our children know how to shake the salt onto the french fries America will continue to do just fine...


40 posted on 12/07/2010 8:44:59 AM PST by 2dollarbill
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t doubt it for a second.
But we’d show a lot better than 25th if the stats were figured the same way.

Its sorta like infant death statistics. They way they’re computed, Cuba does better than we do. But we count every underweight crack baby as a “live birth” where as Cuba doesn’t count infants that die within five days of birth. Hence the difference.


41 posted on 12/07/2010 8:48:34 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Way to go, W! No child got left behind! They made it to #24!


42 posted on 12/07/2010 8:50:48 AM PST by Terry Mross ( Reagan made one mistake: He chose Bush as his veep. We've been paying for it ever since.)
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To: gthog61

You are right — and yet this week millions of folks will watch “Are you Smarter Than A Fifth Grader” and buy into this silly notion of our kids being sooooo smart — smarter than the parents — in fifth grade.

A bi polar nation.


43 posted on 12/07/2010 8:50:56 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Little Ray

You’re certainly right on the infant mortality numbers.

If anything, the US seems to be moving further and further from testing its whole student population, however, with ‘special students’ exempted or given unlimited time, etc..

If anything it wouldn’t surprise me if the U.S. ranking here is high. However, if you matched up demographic-for-demographic, I suspect most of our student subpopulations would do just fine against their counterparts worldwide—despite how we handicap them with our dreadful approach to teaching reading.


44 posted on 12/07/2010 8:53:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: FreedomProtector

I’m not against vouchers. I am against rewarding irresponsible behavior.

Right now we are rewarding people who drop out of school, get pregnant, don’t work, and act like animals.

Then we’re surprised when we get more of the same.


45 posted on 12/07/2010 8:55:17 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of questions can no longer be asked or answered in “polite” society. That’s why we’re on FR. ;)


46 posted on 12/07/2010 8:55:33 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: FreedomProtector

I’ve heard this alot on the forum. I taught for a few years in city schools and I guarentee you that if we went to a private system their would be alot of kids that would never see the inside of a school. That’s how little the parents care.


47 posted on 12/07/2010 9:01:46 AM PST by armordog99
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To: 9YearLurker

We’re still testing the whole population, we’re just giving certain groups special privileges. They still get figured in.

I agree, most sub-populations would do okay. Its sort of like our crime statistics. Eliminate certain groups and we look as good or better than most other societies in the developed world.


48 posted on 12/07/2010 9:01:56 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

I’m saying all our subgroups could probably stack up okay with their demographic equivalents worldwide.


49 posted on 12/07/2010 9:07:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: OldDeckHand

Wrong, at least with respect to the European countries. They import large percentages of Mooselims every year and those that are there are breeding like bunnies and spreading their “culture”.

Mooselims as a whole are less interested in learning (and working) than our illegals. Doubt me? Ask a German. Frenchman, or a Swede, for example. I would also point out that most of the countries are much poorer than we are and spend less on education.

We score badly because of our government school system and its entrenched educational pathologies (whole language, “Reform” math, “invented spelling”, multiculti everything, sodomite acceptance and promiscuity studies, etc.). Most of the countries that do better have some form of school choice. The element of choice has prevented the idiocy that prevails here from getting the same stranglehold on education.

BTW, I wouldn’t place much importance on the reading scores. Comparing reading ability across languages is very difficult - unlike math and science. It is, for example, comical that they think that they could compare the reading skills of Americans and Taiwanese in a study like this.


50 posted on 12/07/2010 9:08:34 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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