Skip to comments.Kobe Bryant's Turkish Airlines Endorsement Angers Armenians
Posted on 12/16/2010 4:03:56 PM PST by La Enchiladita
Armenian Americans -- many right here in the Los Angeles area -- are calling Kobe Bryant's endorsement deal with Turkish Airlines "Kobe's direct flight to inhumanity."
The Armenian Youth Federation says it's considering protests at Staples Center if Bryant doesn't back down or at least issue some type of statement recognizing the Armenian Genocide, when approximately 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were killed.
Bryant has talked about the endorsement deal, telling CNBC, "I've never been to Turkey, but all the guys on the team who have been keep saying (that) it's one of the hottest places to go. This is another deal for me that proves that we're global, and it obviously makes sense with them starting flights in LA."
The Turkish government says it's happy to have Bryant playing on their team.
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxla.com ...
My POV is: Go, Kobe. We need the Turks as our friends.
If you think the Muslim Turks are our “friends”...you may be a member of CAIR
I remember all the nonsense non-conservative GOP made a few years ago when congress recognized the Armenian genocide. Blowhards were claiming “we need Turkey as allies” as the Turks were refusing the US to use their NATO bases and airspace for the war in Iraq
It sickens me that people support Islamic Terrorism committed against CHRISTIAN ARMENIANS. This is Holocaust Denial.
Kobe should have used better judgement in his sponsorships. Armenians have a right to be offended...and Christian Americans should be supportive of the Armenians...and not of the Muslim Turks
Only a fool or a Globalist thinks Turkey is an actual ally. Turkey is undergoing mass Islamification as we speak
How disgusing—turk money got to him! That is how our whole govt apparatus has become corrupted. We place profit over morality.
Shame on Kobe and any Freeper who feels otherwise.
Perhaps Hedo Türkoğlu talked him into it.
The Armenian genocide is exactly holocaust denial, except it is hard to deny what nobody is talking about anyway (other than in nearby “Little Armenia” no doubt).
If the Turks are expendable in real-politic, the Armenians are doubly so.
Isn't there a statute of limitations on international crimes? Like when everyone who participated is dead, can't we assume that it is over?
Kobe Bryant got a payday. Whoever thought this man was a moral beacon didn't read the court transcripts. His wife got a nice diamond out of the deal. He gives as he expects to receive, the payoff.
On October 12, 1980, I was at a swap meet in Hollywood, Calif. when heard a loud noise—it sounded like “poof.” It turned out to be a bomb that was detonated about a block and a half from where I stood. A group calling itself the Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide claimed responsibility for the bombing, which targeted a travel agency owned by an American of Turkish extraction. The only casualty was an Englishman who happened to be driving by and was hurt by flying shrapnel. However, the blast could have been fatal to anyone who happened to be walking by on the sidewalk next to the shop.
I fail to see how attacking the property owned by US citizens in America and hurting innocent people advances the cause of Armenian victims of events that occurred half a world away and decades earlier. That attack took away whatever sympathy I may have had for Armenian grievances against the Turks.
I don’t think Kobe knew a thing about the Turk/Armenian situation.
They offered him $$$, he took it.
Now that the large Armenian population in LA is upset, he may well back out.
Armenian-Americans, ah one more hyphenated group of lessor Americans.
If you are an American of X heritage FINE but if you always view yourself as a X-American you are a lessor American.
This is supposed to be your country, get with the damn program or head back to the cesspool from whence you came.
Kobe is not known to identify with victims.
So you’re in solidarity with the Armenian victims? Or, what victims are you referring to? Do you think the gal who went to his hotel room was a victim?
Same to you but more of it.
If you think I am a member of CAIR, you must have signed on to FR this morning.
If you have something to say, then say it, but your first words are defamation against me which means you have no case.
Turks are not historically predominantly muslim. The islam movement has steadily encroached in the country however.
Do you suggest we become open enemies with Turkey and drive them further into muslim domination?
Very telling anecdote, thank you. I saw their character first hand when they moved into, and took over, the general Glendale area back in the late ‘70s.
I didn’t know Armenians were basketball fans either; I don’t think this is going to hurt the Lakers.
And, as for Kobe, many have developed their bias along the way and stuck with that image. All I know is he is a smart, successful American... and a surprisingly patriotic one, at that.
Like it or not, Turkish Airlines has inaugurated non-stop flights from LAX to Turkey and this is why Kobe’s promotion is significant.
You are looking more and more ridiculous with your inane comments about the Turks.
genocidal murderous Turk=genocidal murderous Muslim
They turned muslim from animist in the 10th century when they began invading the Middle East from their central asian homelands. Thereafter everything they have touched has turned to blood. Many of the people they conquered became Muslim in order to survive some of whom are ‘Crypto Christians...but very few. Most went to the dark side.
Anyone who does business with them has put profit above morality.
Seriously, start by studying the Ottoman Empire and then preach about the “goodness” of the Turks...
I don't see the Turks rioting because they didn't get their welfare check, unlike a certain country to their west.
Your post astounds in its lack of knowledge of Muslim Ottoman history.
May I suggest you put aside your pernoal bias against Greeks and other Christian peoples of the Balkans, stop reading apologia written by revisionist historians like Mazower, and delve into the reality of slavery, child abduciton, and absolute horror during the satanic Ottoman Empire.
Then check out a video of some Euros who are gradually coming to learn what contemporary Turks are today:
Do yourself a favor and watch this.
Yeah I know——Imam Clemenza has had some kind of chip on his shoulder vis a vis Greeks or Balkan Christians for a long time ....how else to explain his abject ignorance?
Did you see this yet? The Euros are gradually getting it...
I am in solidarity with both.
What nation is that? Why aren't you upfront about identifying where you are from, and hence, your bias?
Mandatory reading also for everyone from the mean, bad, west: anything by Oriana Fallaci.
I am a fan of the late Oriana Fallaci and have been familiar with her for quite some time. I find your reference to the "mean, bad west" to be interesting....
You give Kobe too much credit. I doubt he knows a thing about the Armenian Genocide.
Perhaps he’ll learn soon.
Wait a minute. You’re a poser, Allthegoodusernamesaregone. On this thread, you say you were “born in a nation just across from Turkey,” and in your posting history you say your “hometown” is in Wales. There are many, many countries in between those two, they are not “just across” from one another. Hometown is one’s place of origin. So, you’re just some drunk sitting around in a Welsh pub, with an axe to grind.
There are many genocides to learn about, don’t you think?
However, please explain to us how Turkish Airlines is responsible for genocide of Armenians. Apparently, you want to make the airlines and now Kobe responsible for a holocaust.
Do you understand where we could go with this?
Lufthansa and China Airlines also fly out of LAX and many international airports. Let’s say a celebrity signs on for an endorsement to travel by one of these carriers. Is this then an endorsement of the extermination of millions of Jews in Germany during WWII? An endorsement of China’s invasion and decimation of Tibet, of their own people in Tian-man Square?
How about U.S. based airlines being to blame for the U.S. dropping the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I guess it depends on who makes the protest and who points the finger. Apparently, the Armenians experienced the most important and morally superior holocaust of the past century.
What I see here is selective moralism.
Listen up, noobie. If all you can do is make up childish insults as a substitute for being honest about where you are from, you have no credibility as a debater on this forum. We have been having discussions re Turkey, esp. contemporary Turkey, on this forum long before you showed up. But then, you would have to learn the keyword feature and do more reading than talking.
#30 was not posted to you.
Oh no! You got the ‘noob’ argument used against you!
You must be directly over the target!
There's plenty to go around. Turkish Airlines isn't responsible, nor is Kobe. He just stepped in one of those minefields of historical greivance that's out there.
Social Engineering in the 20th century, the gift that keeps on giving.
That was a really dumb statement, congratulations.
I have seen that used more in the last few months than ever before.
It’s embarrassing that ‘seasoned’ Freepers even resort to such.
It used to be all about the content of a poster’s argument back in the ‘olden days’ when I was a ‘noob’. But that only works if your sign-up date precedes the sign-up date of the person throwing the ‘noob insult’ around. :-)
I happen to live in the present, and I think Kobe does too. If I sided with everyone in their grievances as they pleaded with me, it would do no good. Might as well pick one to love me and one to hate me. In fact, picking neither side is best. I learned that as a mediator.
I think Kobe definitely lives in the present, in the sense he probably doesn’t have a clue on this or many historical issues. He just happened to make an endorsement in a town that has a sizeable community for which this is an ongoing source of contention.
The killing of Armenians is a matter of historical record, but getting the Turks to admit to it... well that’s probably less likely than the Japanese apologizing for Nanking.
I’m off to scourge myself on the off chance that one of my ancestors kept slaves, see you later. ;)
Regardless, Turkey is one of the rising economies of the world, along with China, India, Iran and Brazil. (And, I didn't make any assertions re entitlements in Turkey; you pulled that one out of thin air.)
Obviously, you have a problem. Let me TRY to help you, carefully and slowly. I am not Clemenza.
Add your inability to comprehend that simple fact, to your baseless personal accusations and your refusal to state your country of origin although you refer to it as “across from” Turkey, your obviously biased and muddled statements have ZERO credibility.
Are you sure you want to admit to being a friend of the poster you write to in #42?
And, wouldn’t you expect a FReeper — although protected by an anonyous user I.D. — to be forthcoming about country of origin, especially when they have already obliquely referred to its location?
Doesn’t dishonesty on one point call other points into question?
Are you in the habit of projecting your opinions onto others as a form of 'argument'?
"And, wouldnt you expect a FReeper although protected by an anonyous user I.D. to be forthcoming about country of origin, especially when they have already obliquely referred to its location?"
Are you attempting to re-direct the focus of the discussion onto your opponent in order to avoid your use of the 'noob argument'?
"Doesnt dishonesty on one point call other points into question?"
Does the projection ever stop?
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