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To: BobL

Too bad he sold out control (and pricing) of the Indiana Toll Road to a foreign company. The people (and their children, and their grandchildren, and their great grandchildren) of North Indiana will pay for this stunt for the better part of a century. What a visionary!

your comments on the lease(not sale) of the toll roads is totally ignorant of the actual facts. The state recieved BILLIONS of dollars up front, are useing them to build the Hoosier heartland corridor from Fort Wayne through Lafayette and to update many miles of existing highways that were sorely in need of maintenance.. Daniels has done more good for this state than the past 6 Democrat governors combined ( where is the money Bayh???) Check the financial condition of this state, check the level of interest in this state for potential business sites. You have to be a Democrat...northern Indiana is full of them and, as usual, they are wrong (thanks for Donelly) the pro abortion graduate of Notre Dame, a formerly Catholic university. The foreign interests cannot remove the toll road and take it home....they MUST operate it in compliance with the state or LOSE their investment in it......Kind of like the Illinois Skyway which is also leased out....if you don’t understand the situation, please don’t comment on it.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 10:19:29 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl

“your comments on the lease(not sale) of the toll roads is totally ignorant of the actual facts.”

Use of the word “Ignorant” is a standard bully tactic, but I get used to it from shills. Governor Perry tried the same stunt here regarding the sellout of our FREEWAYS, in our case - and I heard the same things - but the PEOPLE were not fooled.

“The state recieved BILLIONS of dollars up front..., are useing them to build the Hoosier heartland corridor from Fort Wayne through Lafayette and to update many miles of existing highways that were sorely in need of maintenance..”

Yea, and lotteries pay for schools too. We’ve all heard that bait-and-switch line before. The reason we (we think) killed off Governor Perry’s scheme is because the vast majority of Texans believe that tolls on a particular highway should just be used to operate that highway. In this case, you are CONDEMNING the people of North Indiana to pay, THROUGH TOLLS, for projects in all other areas of the state - while STILL PAYING THE GAS TAX - while the people on I-70 get to drive without tolls.

Also you might want to ask the people of Chicago weather it’s a good idea to cell out city assets (in their case, parking meters to the same company), to the first charlatan that comes by offering you money up front. You might be surprised by what you hear. It’s no different than a heroin fix.

“Daniels has done more good for this state than the past 6 Democrat governors combined”

Subjective comment and too early to tell. Given the fact that the FULL BRUNT of the unlimited tolling (backed by monopoly protection) will take a decade or so before it hits, I think I’ll get back with you in 15 years on this one (although hopefully a court will throw this crap out before then). But I have no doubt that Mitch can get a very well-paying job with Cintra when he retires.

“Check the financial condition of this state, check the level of interest in this state for potential business sites.”

Believe me, if we here in Texas pulled the same stunt, we’d be in the black too. Same for California and New York. The idea is to balance the budget WITHOUT condemning your people to what can only be described as indentured servitude.

“You have to be a Democrat...northern Indiana is full of them and, as usual, they are wrong (thanks for Donelly) the pro abortion graduate of Notre Dame, a formerly Catholic university.”

Yea, Perry’s guys called me that too. But I’ll tell you, when 1,000 people gathered at a DOT meeting in North Houston to OPPOSE the same stunt, I PROMISE YOU that at least some of them were Republicans. One does not have to be Democrat to be against financial slavery (i.e., selling off critical assets to private companies, and then giving them monopoly protection without regulation). I don’t mind the name calling - it always happens when people try to cover for the stupidity of an elected leader. By I do TOTALLY agree with you on Notre Dame (for what it’s worth), it’s an embarrassment to the country.

“The foreign interests cannot remove the toll road and take it home....they MUST operate it in compliance with the state or LOSE their investment in it”

Got any Terms and Conditions on how they must operate. I’ve followed Cintra for decades and watched their lawyers make minced meat out of politicians. They will NOT sign a contract with any governor unless they get their unlimited pricing and monopoly protection. It may (and usually does) take a decade or two to kick in (i.e., just about the time those same politicians are retiring)...but they ALWAYS WIN on these deals.

......Kind of like the Illinois Skyway which is also leased out....if you don’t understand the situation, please don’t comment on it.”

Oh, you mean the 45 cents PER MILE it costs to drive on that highway. I’m sure that the people of North Indiana will be comforted by that prospect. Yea, I know it’s a short highway. But how about the 35 cents PER MILE (US) that Cintra is charging the Canadians on Highway 407, which is a much longer highway?

But I understand. Your guy wants to be president and he cannot undue this ticking time bomb, so people must run out and try to defend it.


19 posted on 01/12/2011 4:59:47 AM PST by BobL
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To: terycarl

By the way, regarding Terms and Conditions, you might want to read this paper - written by people much more knowledgeable than us...

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/services/research/abfm/johnson.pdf

Bottom line - it does look like Daniels got taken by the “Non-Compete Clause”, just as I had mentioned. What a bummer.


20 posted on 01/12/2011 5:09:30 AM PST by BobL
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