Skip to comments.Too Religious to Home-School?
Posted on 01/27/2011 5:20:12 PM PST by metmom
Brenda Voydatch leafs through her daughters school books inside her single-story home in Meredith, New Hampshire.
These are her math and science books, she says.
Like many parents who home-school, Voydatch believes in the importance of teaching the basics of reading and writing. But she also believes in the importance of a religious education.
I believe its a parents fundamental right to teach a child the beliefs within their home, she says as she looks up at the painting of Jesus holding a child. I believe thats every parents right.
It was that religious education that led to her ex-husbands objections. It also led to a New Hampshire judge to order Brendas 11 year-old daughter Amanda to attend public school.
Its an order her attorney, John Anthony Simmons, calls a clear Constitutional violation.
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The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS FORUM is frhf.
THIS HAD BETTER GET MONKEY STOMPED TO THE GROUND.
That judges order should have been null and void, its unconstitutional on its face.
So according to libs the Constitution can not only tell you what you have to spend your money on...But how to raise your Children??? Ughh what a bunch of numbskulls..
Similar case in NJ — Social Services brought a case against a family, trumped up charges dismissed, but Social Services are still upset because the family is Christian and they think that the parents have too much religious influence over their kids’ lives. They don’t want them to homeschool.
It would be very easy to just “fall in line” with the other posters here.... but.... what about the father’s rights as to how his child is to be raised? Just becuase the couple is divorced does not mean Dad must just sign the support checks and keep his mouth shut.
This is a difficult case; I am not sure I agree with the judge, but then I an not sure I disagree with him.
The mother’s faith is not mentioned... what if she is a Muslim??
“but.... what about the fathers rights...”
Sorry, you lose - this is America...and things have changed (for the worse).
As I advise EVERY GUY that I know, either don’t get married, or at least marry someone not born here - hopefully from a family and country where marriage is looked at something more than a piggy bank.
Feminism has won...so let our American women have each other.
DYFS almost always trumps up the charges...I know from personal experience. They are a crooked organization.
Been there, done that. This whole thing gets messy and the one with the most Money wins. And through it all the kids are the real Losers. Sad World We live in.
Any homeschooled child whose parents separate who has a parent petition the courts to stop homeschooling has been in my experience, sent to school. The homeschooling parent has no rights or real say. Homeschooling is seen as a privilige by the courts and easy to revoke.
Yes thats usually the case.
Sorry, but the father has standing in this issue even if his views aren’t popular around here. This is a case of two count’em two parents who have a fundamental disagreement on child rearing, so it had to be settled in court. This is not a constitutional issue or a matter of the state pushing an agenda, but a simple matter of the judge having to side with one parent or the other, and this rare case, it was the father.
One wants the child very isolated and cloistered and the other wants the child to be worldly and be exposed to all the experiences one ought to have as an adolescent.
What a crock. He apparently didn't have any problem with the homeschooling previously. The debate is over the religious upbringing, not the homeschooling issue.
Besides, do you realize what " all the experiences one ought to have as an adolescent" entails these days????
Please, spare her.
Laura Ingalls Wilder grew up just fine with a religious upbringing in relative isolation, as did millions like her. They turned out fine. What makes you think this present generation's social life is one you'd want to inflict on any child? Let her have her childhood and enjoy it. Life is bad enough these days and she'll be better equipped to handle it when she's ready to if she doesn't have the emotional baggage of a public school education hanging around her neck.
Not only that, there's the matter of her actual education. The father's objection is not that the girl won't be educated. He's worried about her "social life".
Read the article.
Do you homeschool, just out of curiosity?
You’re missing the point entirely. Even if this is a case of religious upbringing, it’s far from the first to land in court. When separated parents of different faiths can’t agree on religious issues, sometimes the only redress can be found in court.
If the father is not involved in the day to day raising of the child, he has essentially little to complain about.
The mother who has custody is the one who will have to deal with the school district if there’s a problem, will have to deal with the fall out of the abuse that the other public school kids WILL inflict on her, will have to sit up with her and dry the tears and nurse her back to health from all the sickness that she will be exposed to.
The parent with custody SHOULD have the deciding say in a situation like that. THEY’RE the one actually raising the child.
If he doesn’t like paying child support, he should have considered that before getting married and having children.
and that is why She should pack up and move to another State, No She does not need permission, regardless of what the Judge or any Lawyer says. If She just Moves and establishes residency in another State, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO.. This happens ALL THE TIME, and the Custodial Parent ALWAYS gets Away with it. I feel sorry for the Father but he brought this on himself, he should of manned up and did what is best for the Child instead of his EGO. It is better to ask for forgiveness than permission
I agree when you get to the root it is usually the objection of the Religious study or Religion in general. Then sometimes it cost the father more for the Mom to stay at home and School them. Its was fine until it hit the pocket book.
Fine. If men with your kind of attitude want to stay away from American women, that’s fine by me. It increases the quality of the prospective pool my daughters will have to choose from.
I never said his opinion shouldn’t be considered, but unless he’s dealing with the day to day raising of the girl and the one doing damage control from what the public school is going to inflict on this girl, tough beans for him.
HE’S not the one living with her.
“Fine. If men with your kind of attitude want to stay away from American women, thats fine by me. It increases the quality of the prospective pool my daughters will have to choose from.”
I’m sure that they’re fine girls, but feminism has tainted them. They will be very lucky if they find guys willing to gamble away decades of their life based on a few nice dates.
It’s all a probability game...and guys are (finally) figuring it out.
I agree with you that his opinion is not well-founded.
However, the larger issue is the role in which the father has to decide the education of his child. Mother and father must come to an acceptable agreement.
The child cannot be both enrolled in a school and taught at home. There’s no way to split between the two. So they have to come up with something that works for both of them.
Until that happens, the child should be schooled with her mother.
YOU’RE missing the point He agreed to homeschool her initially. And now he’s changed his mind.
Therefore, obviously, her *social life* wasn’t a concern then. He’s not worried about the quality of her education, because that wasn’t what was even brought up, and that’s supposed to be the whole point of sending kids to school in the first place, isn’t it?
I’d lay money on it that it was AFTER the divorce and he’s using this as a weapon against the mother.
Did you honestly just thank God that a father is separated from his child?
If she’s not homeschooling, then she can get out and get a job and earn her own money and he doesn’t have to pay out as much, does he?
Having raised 4 children, I've changed my mind from time to time, so what? He obviously didn't like the way things were going, and that is simply his right.
Id lay money on it that it was AFTER the divorce and hes using this as a weapon against the mother.
I'd lay money that his wife's views were more mainstream when he agreed to it, she became more radical as time went on, and he was tired of sitting on the sidelines feeling helpless as he witnessed the weirding of his child, so he hired a lawyer.
I’m curious. Where do polygamist Mormons children get schooled? Do they go to public schools? If not, why not? If home-schooled, why has no one ever looked into it? Or have they, and I missed it?
You’re not going to make a dent in these misogynistic minds Metmom.
Been there, seen it.
In fact, I know a case where the mother had a psychotic break (a reaction to prescription meds). The father had to call police, and next thing, the judge is ordering the father to send the kids to regular school, even though BOTH the parents believed strongly in homeschooling.
That was one nasty case, basically of the liberal DHS attacking a very good family. It took them years and thousands of dollars to get their family back in order.
Care to wager on that statement? I'll prove you wrong and collect before this thread is cold. I'll give you the name of a woman who lost her child and did time for contempt of a court for trying that very thing.
There’s all kinds of things that may have happened here.
For instance, there is a case like this around now where it was two women in a lesbian relationship that had a child. The woman that bore the child, on breakup, considered the child hers. (The other had no true relationship other than adoption).
The real mother got out and married a man. She started to raise the girl as a Christian, and the adoptive lesbian mom came after her like gangbusters. I think the adoptive mom was actually able to steal the child due to a pro gay judge in Vermont.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out this man took off with someone else, and this women’s religious life put him on a guilt trip. I’ve seen that happen a lot. They WONT be told it wasn’t right to get a divorce and go off with another woman. Of course, that’s just a guess.
Is there something about the First Amendment that you have trouble understanding?
I don’t have a clue.
Ummm... no. Most agreements come with a milage limit on living quarters for the custodial parent. At least in this state. Break it and the entire custody thing is up for grabs.
My daughters are hardly feminists, but I’d be thrilled for them to avoid that kind of mentality.
We don’t need it.
Most of the Dhs needs to disappear. They do not diminish the sum total of misery, they just move it around.
I'm not the one who believes it states that one parent's wishes can be foisted upon the other unchallenged.
The other had no true relationship other than adoption
Unless procurred illegally, the adoption relationship is seen legally as binding and valid as the bio relationship
This stuff happens in a divorce and judges are most likely to side with what is the more standard practice.
No, I do not home school. My children are grown and are all successful adults. They attended public school, and also went to church and Sunday School. k
i was a practicing lawyer for 30 plus years, until health issues forced my retirement. At one time I did some family law, but couldn’t stomach the “she got the gold mine, I got the shaft” mentality of too many of our judges.
I just wonder if you think the Yearning for Zion ranch in Texas is a great example of home schooling?
With a picture of Jesus holding a child?
Frankly, I am siding with the father.
I have nothing against “homeschooling” as an option for the education of children in the USA.
Some home schooled students have been proved to be excelling academically over some publicly schooled children.
Some home schooled students have proved to be victims of abusive parents.
Hense the government mandate regarding a basic education,as both a right for the child, and the duty of a parent, for all the children born in the USA.
This is a case of a family divided, via a legal divorce, with a child involved.
I find your comments particularly offensive, as you seem to think the fathers only function is to provide monetary support to his former wife.
*I* am not a feminist, but I’m not married anymore, and I don’t need it either, you are right.
Then read again, because that's NOT what I was saying.
You got it, its Money not the Kids or Religion.
The minute religion was mentioned, you just have to know that that’s what it was all about.
And social life? Really?
His arguments have no merit.