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Apple Is Eating HP's Laptop Lunch
The Street ^ | 02/23/11 - 06:19 AM EST | By Anton Wahlman

Posted on 02/24/2011 3:52:48 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: Loud Mime
$50 for a plastic cover that costs $2 to make???

First, what plastic cover? I don't use one on my MacBook Pro and never did on a Windows notebook - and I know of sources for the soft rubber (anti-spill) keyboard covers for about $12. I love my Mac keyboard the way it is. It's a personal thing.

Second, are you talking of Office 2011 for Mac, or an earlier version? I just upgraded to 2011 for Mac to replace what I believe is Office 2010 for Windows that I'm running on a Windows virtual machine. I don't see much difference, but I know we each get accustomed to little things. Now, Office 2009 for Mac was abysmal.

You realize you can run Windows and OS 10.6 on the MacBook? I rarely find myself using Windows . . . because what I run runs better on OS 10.6.

61 posted on 02/24/2011 3:14:39 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: numberonepal
Or have Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Word, Excel, Outlook, IE, FF, Safari, a chat program, Anti-Virus, Firewall, and WebLogic (web server) all running at the same time. I have a Mac Book Pro, and it can't handle that load. Only the HP 6530b I have can handle it without issue. When you need to WORK, get a PC.

Well, I'm also running Adobe After Effects CS5, Apple Motion, Fireworks, Apple Final Cut Pro, and the Juicer for Digital Juice. Sometimes, I have Compressor or Soreson Squeeze running. Of course, I'm not running Anti-Virus or the Firewall (it is, after all, a Mac), or running three different Internet browsers at once. I am running Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Word, and Excel.

And my MacPro is humming along without a blip. I'm doing serious work with the 8 gig of RAM and the i7 chip. That's the reason I no longer use a PC.

62 posted on 02/24/2011 3:23:22 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: dennisw
There are utilities to allow you to do this. I found a pretty good undervolting guide here: The Undervolting Guide at forum.notebookreview.com.

I used the RMclock utility from Rightmark. The utility is no longer supported, so you may need to find a newer tool if you have a current CPU. Mine is a Core Duo P8600, so the tool recognizes it.

I was able to set all the lowest multipliers to the minimum voltage, and the top multiplier to a reasonable step of power to keep it stable but not overheat the computer. I was able to unlock the pro features, which let me put in triggers to downstep the multiplier if it approached an overheat state until the temp dropped, which prevents the CPU from shutting down in extreme cases.

-PJ

63 posted on 02/24/2011 5:56:34 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (In a democracy, you negotiate from the floor of the legislature, not from hideouts and bullhorns.)
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To: dennisw

Exactly the idiocy I was talking about that draws such ire.


64 posted on 02/24/2011 7:17:37 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: numberonepal

There’s an old saying in computers:

Unix for networking
Windows for games
Mac for work

But now Mac is Unix, so it would be Windows for games, Mac for everything else.


65 posted on 02/24/2011 7:23:56 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: numberonepal
Or have Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Word, Excel, Outlook, IE, FF, Safari, a chat program, Anti-Virus, Firewall, and WebLogic (web server) all running at the same time. I have a Mac Book Pro, and it can't handle that load. Only the HP 6530b I have can handle it without issue. When you need to WORK, get a PC.

Microsoft doesn't produce or support Internet Explorer for Apple OSX. I'd like to politely call BS on your post. If you really have a MacBook, then you know you're not running IE (unless you're running Fusion or Parallels and running Windows at the same time - and you would have added that to the list of programs running)

And your HP 6530b certainly isn't going to be able to run both systems simultaneously, is it?

And, as I said, I'm running what you're running and more. Plus, I'm rendering video on my Mac Pro (i7, 8 gig RAM0 in Final Cut Pro in 1/4 to 1/10 the time it would be rendering in Adobe Premiere on Windows - and I'm doing it while running other programs. When you're rendering on Windows in Premiere, the rest of your system is basically kaput. And with Apple Motion, I'm creating After Effects-style work with immediate preview, without rendering. Plus, because many of the Red Giant programs - used in professional film production - only work in After Effects, I'm running it, too.

As for running Word and Excel at the same time. Big deal. They're not performance hogs. They're not even performance piglets.

I've been known to run Maya with the other program, in Windows, while the others are running in OS 10.6 - because Maya isn't available for Mac.

Mac's are very definitely for work. In my case, I do office work and high duty video, 2d animation, and 3d animation work at the same time.

66 posted on 02/24/2011 7:27:51 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Swordmaker; raybbr; mazda77; humblegunner; LibLieSlayer; dennisw; All
The free replacement battery Apple said they were sending to replace my 3-year-old one is running in this MBP as I type. It arrived out here in the Texas boonies less than a day after Apple said they were shipping it. Apple and FedEx have their acts together!

All that and a $299 AppleCare refund -- without even asking!

It would be nice to be less than 100 miles from the nearest Apple Store, but with online service like that, I'm quite satisfied. (Besides -- it puts less temptation stress on the ol' wallet...) '-)

67 posted on 02/24/2011 7:33:17 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Cool that it can be done with a utility. I’ll bet you have to re-boot. Then this utility alters bios settings.


68 posted on 02/24/2011 7:37:16 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Since 80% of laptop buyers just use it for light stuff (internet email office photos) then for this group the $1400 Macbook and $400 HP are directly comparable. Because in both cases the computer will be used lightly.... so Apple putting all kinds of Sham-wow features on its $1400 laptop is irrelevant to them.


69 posted on 02/24/2011 7:43:52 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Swordmaker

Toshiba, ASUS, Acer, Samsung rule in Europe. Try them. Low market share in the US = lower prices.


70 posted on 02/24/2011 7:46:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dennisw
Since 80% of laptop buyers just use it for light stuff (internet email office photos) then for this group the $1400 Macbook and $400 HP are directly comparable.

Since 80% of truck buyers just use them for light stuff then for this group the $40,000 heavy-duty V8 truck and the $18,000 four cylinder light pickup are directly comparable.

Idiocy.

71 posted on 02/24/2011 7:48:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Scoutmaster
First, here's the laptop cover I wrote about.

The Reviewing Pane information is HERE.

I'm using Word 2011; it does not have that feature.

Thank you, very much for all the information. I'll check on things.

72 posted on 02/24/2011 7:53:07 PM PST by Loud Mime (If it is too stupid to be said, people will listen to it, if sung - - Voltaire)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Since 80% of truck buyers just use them for light stuff then for this group the $40,000  and the are directly comparable.

Now you finally get it! Why buy a $40,000 heavy-duty V8 truck when all you will be using it for is light hauling which an $18,000 four cylinder light pickup will capably do?

73 posted on 02/24/2011 7:55:54 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: dennisw
No. It's run-time. It loads at start-up. Until then, you're booting to factory power settings.

In Vista, you're prompted to allow it or not. It's an annoyance, but I have to always click to allow.

-PJ

74 posted on 02/24/2011 10:09:27 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (In a democracy, you negotiate from the floor of the legislature, not from hideouts and bullhorns.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Maya isn't available for Mac.

Maya 2011 is, in 64 bit.

75 posted on 02/24/2011 10:13:54 PM PST by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
Thank you for letting me know. I made a mistake.

In the Autodesk boxed set, Maya is cross-platform. However, 3ds Max, Cinema4D, SoftImage, MotionBuilder, Mudbox, and Sketchbox are Windows only.

As a result, I run all of the 3D and Autodesk software on Windows 7, Bootcamped on Snow Leopard and run simultaneously using Fusion pointed to the Bootcamped partition rather than a virtual machine.

76 posted on 02/25/2011 3:31:37 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: TXnMA
Macs have the webserver built in. You just use a text editor to make a couple of minor changes with some very simple instructions.

I use Dreamweaver for web design. The webserver is handy when you're designing interactive web pages, because you can test them on your computer without uploading anything to a domain.

77 posted on 02/25/2011 3:37:57 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Loud Mime
I'm using Word 2011 [for Mac]; it does not have that feature [the Reviewing Pane].

Respectfully, yes it does.

At the top, click on 'Review' so that you're on the Review ribbon. One of the boxes will be "Changes." Out of the five choices, the last icon is "Review Pane." That toggles the Reviewing Pane on and off.

The other choices are to accept, reject, previous, or next change.

I believe those are identical to the choices in Office for Windows and the method to toggle the Review Pane in Windows.

As for the laptop cover, I apologize. Yes, there are some ridiculously priced accessories. I thought you meant a keyboard cover. The MacBook pro is uni-body aluminum. Sure, it may be cute to have a snap-on pink or purple hard or soft plastic cover that perfectly fits the notebook, but why buy one? Solid aluminum does me fine, thanks.

78 posted on 02/25/2011 3:52:15 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: dennisw

They’re still not comparable. Just because you don’t want or need the higher-end product doesn’t mean it’s too expensive. It’s just beyond your needs, or your budget. It’s too expensive FOR YOU, not absolutely, or it wouldn’t be selling as well as it does — basic economics.

Yes, many people buy them even though they never haul anything. This country is full of people who buy more than what they actually need, but what they want.


79 posted on 02/25/2011 4:08:10 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I can afford to blow $1600 on a MacBook but why should I? I have no need for its super-duper, gee-whiz stuff, functionality and design. So like 80% of laptop buyers I get one that is good for email office internet photos. So instead I will spend $400 like a rational human being will...on an HP laptop with that same screen size of 15.4”. Matter of fact the price is more like $325-$350 that $400

That money I don’t blow on a Mac?..... Hmmmm... I have much more interesting things to spend my money on. I’ll leave it to the Jesse Jobs gang to reel in some other fish.


80 posted on 02/25/2011 6:19:12 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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