Skip to comments.**VANITY** PLEASE RECOMMEND FUN .223 RIFLE **VANITY**
Posted on 03/05/2011 12:31:04 PM PST by rabidralph
I've been intrigued by the Appleseed Project and I would like to take part in some of their shooting events, as well as other recreational shooting events. Most events require 400-500 rounds for weekend participation. The ammo for my current rifles would cost nearly a dollar per round. I've done some checking at Cheaper than Dirt and ammo for .223 rifles would be only $250 or so, a much more manageable cost.
I would like to get FReeper recommendations for fun-to-shoot rifles in the .223/5.56 that would be suitable for the Appleseed Project and practical for training purposes.
Also, does anyone know of a carbine conversion kit for a S&W Model 622 pistol, .22LR? Something similar to this Beretta?
LOL! No, I guess not :-)
RUGER MINI 14 223 REM Stainless Steel 20
What kind of budget are you looking at?
I did see that at the Ruger site. It is on my list to check out when I go to the gun store.
The SU-16's are self-loading rifles for the .223 Remington cartridge. They accept standard M-16 and AR-15 magazines,come in several exciting configurations. Now legal in California- all models (A,B,CA) except the 'C' model.
Its stamped 5.56 on the receiver too!
Under $1,200, without a scope, but I’d like to get a few needed accessories within that price.
It’s a whole lot cheaper to shoot .22LR at Appleseed. A lot of people just use a Ruger 10/22. The Ruger is a lot easier to shoot if you install some Tech Sights.
For .223, the cheapest gun to buy would probably be a Saiga .223 or Kel-Tech SU-16. Probably more than accurate enough for Appleseed.
I second the nomination for the Kel-Tec. Fun at the range and my 14 year old boy took a nice doe at 100 yards this year with it.
Recently purchased a Stag 2L—the L for left handed. It’s a 5.56 (.223), 16” barrel, 30 round magazine and only about $800. The store I shop in is the largest in Kentucky. They featured 500 rounds of Federal 5.56 for $189. Quite a buy. In general, even reloading .223 ammo is not cheap. After purchasing 500 pieces of brass from the friend who runs a local range for only $5, the reloads will be about 24 cents each. Only 280 loads per 1 pound of powder, 10 cents per bullet and 4 cents per primer. Anyhow, it’s a fun rifle to shoot...unless you live in Connecticut. They state government is about to CONFISCATE all magazines over 10 rounds!! That will NOT go well.
Recoil is moderate.
It is easy to disassemble and clean.
I'm pretty sure that the 2000 tag has something to do with price :)
Okay, I don’t know anything about the reliability of “off-brand” firearms, so can you or anyone vouch for the quality and reliability of these brands?
Yes, I have heard to just go with a .22LR at the event. Having an accurate rifle would be a high priority as well. I will look into that. I appreciate everyone’s recommendations. I do enjoy window shopping at the sporting goods store.
Get a .308 or 30.06.
I'd recommend going to gunsamerica.com and browsing.
Depending on the type of shooting you want to do, one of the best optics for the money I've found is the Burris AR-332. It's got a ballistic reticle that's designed for the 5.56 trajectory out to 500 yards, has a dual illuminating reticle in either red or green, and still shows up black when you're battery dies.
You can do the entire first day of an Appleseed with .22 LR. That would be my recommendation. If you really want something in .223/5.56 then get an AR-15. Lots of good makers these days.
Well, I wanted something with cheap ammo, as these training programs require around 500 rounds for a weekend of shooting. My main thought for going .223 was the cheap ammo. I already have hunting rifles but that ammo is nearly a dollar per round.
Thanks for the info!
Thanks so much for the recommendation.
Just be aware that the first production run had some problems with slightly canted reticles. They have since fixed the problem, but there are still some older ones on the market. Some vendors will specifically advertise that they have the latter available, so if they don't I wouldn't buy it sight-unseen.
It is an exceptionally handy (and rugged) little scope:
> Its a whole lot cheaper to shoot .22LR at Appleseed.
If you actually take a pair of calipers and measure a .22LR you will find that it is actually .223; funny how that is.
Yep! It does matter.
I appreciate the info! I’ll read up on it.
+1 on the Mini 14. Put a Tech-Sight on it: http://www.tech-sights.com/mini14.htm
You’ll also need a sling. Get a cotton USGI sling here: http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/?p=detail&pid=10&cat_id=0
Forgot to mention - you’ll need at least two magazines. You’ll be doing mag changes when you shoot the AQT.
When I go to an Appleseed Shoot, I take six mags. You can prep additional magazines during the prep period and be ready to go.
Ruger Mini-14...in stainless steel.
Or, the Savage 110. My son has one and has used it for about everything from local target and varmint to some longer range prairie dog stuff. If you don’t mind a bolt action, it’s a good, reliable, affordable rifle.
Mini-14 is a fun gun. Quite accurate and lightweight, won’t wear you out if you do alot of shooting with it.
And as others have pointed out it’s not a killer beyond say 100 yds. But one of my magazines is loaded about every 4th round with a tracer round.
So in the middle of the night or whatever, if some clown wants to try something, he’d hear Pop-Pop-Pop-ZING.....
Next day I expect I would find his britches nearby loaded with something...
And I know what you mean about ammo prices cause I also have a .30-06 and I’m not gonna take that out and start popping a hundred rounds just for fun...
IMHO, the Ruger is a good choice, easy to clean and care for.
I appreciate the extra info and everything everyone’s adding on this thread. I will have fun checking prices and accessories at the stores.
Atlantic has some nice AR’s at decent prices:
Good source for ammo:
Take a look at CDNN’s catalog:
You can drop over to www.gunsnet.net also. I’ve been a member & mod for ten years...
Also they are now finally making factory Ruger mags for them in the higher capacity (10-20-30) round flavor. I’ve got a couple of those, also a couple of the knock-offs that were out before Ruger made them.
IMHO get the Ruger mags, the others just aren’t as good.
Cant go wrong with AR15, prices are good and they are accurate/solid.
I just got this C93
What's your idea of fun?
That looks like a knockoff of a G3.
5.45x39 is, if you dont mind an ak74
As far as ballistics they are about the same but while the AK74 wont rival the AR15 as a platform, ammo is about $125 for 1260 rds
The ammo link is quite helpful. Thanks very much!
Another option is the Golani Galil from Century. I have two and two friends have one each. Nice rifles and accurate for a AK action. About the only drawback is the weight, but that is what makes the almost indestructible.
I have one of Keltec CA models.
I own several M-4’s , I built using with LMT suppers.
The Keltec has yet to jam or fail on me. It holds two 10 round mags in the stock.
I only shoot NATO ammo, so it could handle lower pressure .223s
Is it a $2,500 rifle?
I have 2 cetmes as well. Decent machines if you know what to look for.
Century is hit or miss for quality of the builds, but you can find gems cheap.
Alantic has AK74s cheap. Surplus 5.45x39 is really about the cheapest ammo out there besides .22LR.
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