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AR-15 - Build; Need some upper advice
3/22/2011 | Me

Posted on 03/22/2011 3:04:37 PM PDT by Chasaway

I've got the lower. Now I want to really work up an AR that presents as I want it. Some pics that are close to what I'm thinking are included.

Where do I go to get the stuff I need to finish this rifle as I like....but spending as little as I can? Not so much the barrels as the furniture...

Some links/resources would be terrific!



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I KNOW how you folks are! Gun talk and advice maybe one of the coolest part of FreeRepublic.

What I'm trying to do is build a custom AR with configurations similar to the pics attached. Primarily the forends and front part of the furniture. Including a bipod.

1 posted on 03/22/2011 3:04:43 PM PDT by Chasaway
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To: Chasaway

AR 15.com is a good place to start.


2 posted on 03/22/2011 3:06:47 PM PDT by devistate one four (USC 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Chasaway

Porn ping!


3 posted on 03/22/2011 3:12:00 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: Chasaway

I go to CombatHunting.com. Here is their AR-15 M16 M4 page.

http://www.combathunting.com/cart.cgi?group=0&child=65

Good prices. Out the door the day you order.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 3:12:59 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Chasaway

The most major feature you want (the 1-8 twist barrel) is invisible. The one in 8 twist lets you shoot the 80 grain bullets and that opens the door to a wider world. A 223 with 80 grain bullets can kill game animals and hit targets 1000 meters away; the standard 55-gr bullets can’t.


5 posted on 03/22/2011 3:13:11 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Chasaway

Blackthorne Products has some remarkably priced AR kits in the bull barrel, free floated config you are looking for.

http://blackthorneproducts.com/


6 posted on 03/22/2011 3:20:22 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Chasaway

I don’t like ‘big’ scopes on the AR type rifles.

I prefer something like the ACOG, but I guess it’s all about what you are using the rifle for. For anything out far enough to need a scope that big, I’d be using a rifle that begins with a ‘7.62x’.(preferably a .308)


7 posted on 03/22/2011 3:26:51 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Chasaway

Thanks for what is bound to be a very cool thread.


8 posted on 03/22/2011 3:27:56 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Chasaway

Ask here...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=4

The AR15 build it yourself forum on Arfcom...


9 posted on 03/22/2011 3:30:02 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Chasaway

Oh, and I forgot to mention the Ar15.com Equipment Exchange.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=7

Anything can be shipped EXCEPT a lower receiver or full rifle.


10 posted on 03/22/2011 3:31:42 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Chasaway

AIM surplus via AR-15.com

Built several AR’s with stuff I bought from them.

Highly recommended source.


11 posted on 03/22/2011 3:35:33 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Chasaway
Dont forget the tricked out over-sized trigger guard for when wearing gloves. . ▲
12 posted on 03/22/2011 3:36:14 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Chasaway
Check out: Top Gun Firearms and Tactical Supply
13 posted on 03/22/2011 3:38:02 PM PDT by willyd (Take comfort in this site as the fence is built around you my piggies.)
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To: Chasaway

Got to tell you, BE CAREFUL ABOUT BARRELS AND BOLTS !!!

Make sure that you headspace it properly. Get the headspacing tool, It’s worth every cent.

Bolts and berrels vary and you need to be sure the headspacing is correct. If you’re not comfortable doing this take it to a gunsmith, or buy a matched set bolt/barrel


14 posted on 03/22/2011 3:39:34 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: wendy1946; Chasaway
This fellow starting the thread wants to spend as little as possible, then posts pictures of match-style ARs. Oy. (*rubbing my temples*).

If that's what you want, I'd get an assembled AR upper from one of the better shops that offer them after shopping around. I'm not sure if by 'spending as little as I can' means 'I want it cheap' or 'I want to save some money even though I'm about to pay thousands'. Looks to me like at least two of those rifles have NightForce scopes on them, and you're aware that the price on these starts around $2,000 or more?

The stocks in the pictures include a standard M4 4-position, an A2 stock, and in the first and last pics what appears to be a CAA and an older MagPul PRS. They're all using some sort of free floating match tube forearm, a couple of them being CMMG.

The solution that Wendy mentions would mean you're going to need a specially throated match barrel with a lot of freebore for 80gr, and then a you're pretty much limited to shooting that specific manufacturer's 80gr cartridge exclusively. An 80gr 5.56mm round may or may not fit a standard AR magazine due to length, and as a result some match and varmint shooters using loads like these manually insert one round at a time through the ejection port and snap the bolt closed with the bolt release. Personally, I think anyone wanting to go down this path should stop screwing around with 5.56mm and just step up to an AR-10 in 7.62 which would make their lives and personal economy easier.

15 posted on 03/22/2011 3:44:22 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Chasaway

Jams are your biggest issue once built.

First , try to get only Magpul magazines and nothing over 30 round capacity.Buy lots of them but just not over 30 unless you get the 100 shot barrel drums.

Second I found that depending on cheap or expensive ammo, I have two configurations.
One has a special heavier spring and a DPMS stock bolt
and the other is a lighter spring and an M16 bolt which has a slight bit more metal on it to make it heavier.

Switching between these for tournament and or just shooting cheapo ammo has completely eliminated jams.


16 posted on 03/22/2011 3:44:55 PM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Have it at, folks. $:-)

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 03/22/2011 3:50:43 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Agree...bookmarked for later read. Always something new to learn here.

Or not......:o)


18 posted on 03/22/2011 3:51:52 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY


19 posted on 03/22/2011 3:58:10 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Chasaway

Dude!! You need to decide what you want. You could just buy a Bushmaster upper from www.bushmaster.com or www.impact.com. or www.classicarms.com and look at Rockpoint Guns.

Also you have to decide what you want to use the weapon for; as in M-4 shorty adjustable stock for house entry and clearing. A target 16-20 inch barrel open combat or a bull barrel varmint style for mid range sniping. Once you know what you want it will be easier to build an upper.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Chasaway
Look for the cheapest price on the same quality by checking: shotgun news.com and check their advertisers websites, MidwayUsa.com, and such.
21 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:22 PM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I normally load 223 with Sierra 77-gr bullets and have never seen any of the problems you mention.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:22 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: MileHi

perfect......


23 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:56 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Chasaway

This is a good place to start.

http://www.model1sales.com/


24 posted on 03/22/2011 4:20:32 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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bookmark


25 posted on 03/22/2011 4:23:51 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: wendy1946

77gr is different than 80gr.


26 posted on 03/22/2011 4:41:56 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Chasaway; GunsAndBibles

Of interest!


27 posted on 03/22/2011 4:43:45 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Chasaway
Well...first of all what caliber do you want to use? .223 is relatively cheap but not exactly the best long range round and it seems that is what you are looking for. As you want to mate it to an existing lower that excludes .308, .338 Federal, and some other permutations. 6.5 Grendel/.264 LBC-AR would do a 20" barrel justice but you would have to start reloading if you don't already. Alexander arms or Satern barrels are your best best for bolts and barrels in 6.5 Grendel. Satern barrels are plain great regardless of caliber and they have some fantastic deals on occasion. If you are thinking more a national match set up with irons, a 18" - 20" stainless bull barrel would do nicely. There was mention of an ACOG which excludes the rifle from national match...and while I like them, and would own one given an infinite amount of money, I feel there are better values in optics. If you really want a long range rifle then a good rule of thumb is to spend twice the money on optics as you do on the rifle. (given an infinite amount of money...etc.)

It depends on how you are going to shoot it though. I confess to having planned uppers just because I really thought it would be cool to have "X" configuration only to realize that it would be a silly configuration for my shooting habits and ranges. The max range I have in my area is 600 yards so a thousand yard rifle wouldn't make much sense for me to build. (other than coolness, which given an infinite amount of money...etc.)

I can vouch for rainierarms.com, bravocompanyusa.com, and spikestactical.com as reputable AR parts and components places.

Don't buy a premade upper unless you have way more money than time. There are not a lot of variables in an upper and virtually all the companies that build them would use the same parts and tools that you would. There are exceptions to this of course. There are builders that make the parts to their spec, true up the parts that they had made and have them put together by dedicated craftsman that are experts in ARs. Prepare to spend gobs of money. (given an infinite amount of money...etc.) Les Bear and JP Rifles would give you a good place to start if that is where you are going.

28 posted on 03/22/2011 4:54:04 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Chasaway

I don’t know nuffin about birthen no black rifles.


29 posted on 03/22/2011 4:55:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Are you married? ;)


30 posted on 03/22/2011 4:55:38 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Chasaway

So, I’m not sure why no one has an opinion about this!

(LOL!!)

I’m actually not as interested in the optics/scope (at this point), etc. as I am in the barrel/forend/bipod.

I figger if I get the barrel, forend, etc. set up right, I’ll have ANOTHER bunches of optic/sight choices.

Which is a whole ‘nother thread!!

Yay!

Thanks for all! Keep it coming!

Chasaway


31 posted on 03/22/2011 4:58:13 PM PDT by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: Chasaway

BTW the second rifle down in your pictures is practically blasphemy while the last rifle is a work of art. That being said the ghetto rifle could be more accurate than the “purty” rifle.


32 posted on 03/22/2011 5:02:43 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ├čudda├čudd
"Dont forget the tricked out over-sized trigger guard for when wearing gloves."

My Armalite (AR10) has the swing-away trigger guard so it can be fired with gloves/mittens....just the way Eugene Stoner originally designed it back in the 50's...


33 posted on 03/22/2011 5:10:54 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mylife
This is a good place to start. http://www.model1sales.com/

They put together an A4 CAR Upper in 7.62x39 for me... sweeeeeet!

34 posted on 03/22/2011 5:18:37 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Chasaway
I’m actually not as interested in the optics/scope (at this point), etc. as I am in the barrel/forend/bipod.

I figger if I get the barrel, forend, etc. set up right, I’ll have ANOTHER bunches of optic/sight choices.

Some of the rigs you showed at the top of the thread would make an H&K PSG-1 sniper rifle feel like a lightweight. How is the rifle to be used (realistically), and what is expected of it?

35 posted on 03/22/2011 6:26:35 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Probably a good question to help answer MY questions...

Long range, supported shooting - at least generally.

I’m already fixed up for heavy caliber/long range and light caliber/short range (carbine/quick handling) rifles.

This is to be more of a long range, lighter load rifle. In the interim, I’ll use it for varmint (coyote, bobcat, fox) shooting down here. Maybe even find someone who’ll let me shoot their prairie dogs.

Not really concerned with weight on this one. Although > 16 pounds would probably get old.


36 posted on 03/22/2011 6:47:11 PM PDT by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: AvOrdVet

Some of the best if not the BEST price/quality ratio around.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 7:25:58 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Chasaway

38 posted on 03/22/2011 7:32:35 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Chasaway
Well, I've seen a lot of the "match barrel" type ARs set up with Krieger stainless steel barrels; those seem to have retained popularity for years now - must be pretty good hardware. IIRC, those are sold with a fitted bolt with confirmed headspace, just use your own upper receiver, bolt carrier and free-float tube.

Note that many such match barrels are .223 chambered, NOT 5.56 NATO, so no practice with the less expensive milsurp stuff.

Post an update when you get that build rolling.

39 posted on 03/22/2011 7:45:37 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Chasaway

40 posted on 03/22/2011 11:38:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: mylife
Some of the best if not the BEST price/quality ratio around.

Totally agree, I did A LOT of looking around for an upper to throw on a DPMS lower, and Model 1 Sales without a doubt has some of the best stuff out there. Been thinking of another upper in a different caliber lately and they are first on my list.

41 posted on 03/23/2011 3:13:05 AM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: wendy1946
A 223 with 80 grain bullets can kill game animals and hit targets 1000 meters away; the standard 55-gr bullets can’t.

I disagree. I've used the 55-gr bullets to hunt game before an killed a rabbit at 100 yards. Of course it took three hits to bring it down ...

42 posted on 03/23/2011 5:57:49 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack

I had Bambi in mind...


43 posted on 03/23/2011 6:11:05 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: mbynack

I’ve hit P-dogs at 400yrds with 60gr SP’s and there was barely enough left to recognize as an animal. No idea what you guys are doing wrong... :-)


44 posted on 03/23/2011 6:48:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: wendy1946
Illegal in my State to take deer with calibers smaller than .30 regardless of bullet weight.

My old Win 94 .30-30 is minute of deer accurate and works just fine. :-)

45 posted on 03/23/2011 6:55:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Niiiice


46 posted on 03/23/2011 7:10:21 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Chasaway

If you want an upper that uses cheap ammo, there’s the M&P AR-15 chambered in 5.45x39. SG sells the upper for $584 (club price). http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=506921 The commie ammo goes for less than $150 for 1080 rounds. It’s corrosive, so you have to take more time and effort to clean your firearm. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=309193


47 posted on 03/23/2011 7:50:05 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: smokingfrog

Dang, that’s a good price for that upper.


48 posted on 03/23/2011 7:52:32 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Airtractor 402)
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To: wendy1946

An AR will do a fine job taking deer size game if you’re not concerned about a wall trophy.


49 posted on 03/23/2011 7:57:18 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Airtractor 402)
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To: MileHi
"Why don't you go home and hang yourself with your game controller"

"I can't it's cordless"

Yep, that sounds like a couple of gun forums I know, lol.

50 posted on 03/23/2011 8:07:34 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Airtractor 402)
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