Posted on 04/13/2011 12:43:16 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
I understand the general nuance of the birther argument. And I see there's more than one prevailing theory.
While I still have a hard time believing Osama was born in Kenya. I am warming to the idea he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, became an Indonesian citizen and most likely obtained an Indonesian passport which allowed his travels to Pakistan and beyond. As well as possibly entering college in the US as a foreign student. And I'm sure there was a Muslim thing going on too... much proof of that is already out there and not in dispute.
He applied and was awarded foreign student aid, student aid from his home country (Indonesia) at the time, etc... maybe he claimed a Kenyan birth, British Father/Subject to obtain student aid that way... very plausible and would certainly explain his reluctance to release his college paperwork.
And all of that could be done with a Hawaiian birth and a sealed B/C due to the adoption, Hawaiian laws and subsequent re-issuance of the B/C.
Anyway, lets focus on Trump.
Is he throwing the hail mary pass of the century with this claim?
Does he have something he's not yet releasing or talking specifically about?
Strategic planning at work here, the mother of all October surprises?
Possibly telegraphing to Osama, that I found your dirty little secret, I have it and your day is coming?
Blackmail?
Or is he just such a massive ego maniac, that he's let it go so far to his head he's lost touch with reality, has nothing and somehow thinks all of this is an extension of his reality show?
If Trump has nothing, produces nothing, ends up blowing all this media hype he's churned into a boil... that window comes and goes the media will eviscerate him, intentionally, for no other reason than to seek revenge upon him, discredit him even further and remind others not to mess with them, the media.
What does he gain, he needs to be take seriously in certain circles to at least keep his TV shows going, and money flowing into his pockets... that's Hollywood, the media, etc... why risk the only thing he has left over a Geraldo-esq Al Capone's Vault stunt?
It don't make any sense... none of it does honestly...
Now... for almost three years piles and piles of investigators from political campaigns, parties, WND, PI's hired by attorneys suing for records, and I'm sure some groups we've yet to even hear about...etc, etc... why do we think that Trump will find what they couldn't?
Now, If any of you don't think for a minute that the DNC hasn't been looking as well your a fool. While they publicly ridicule and scoff at the idea I am 110% positive they too have been digging... just in case it all turns out to be true.
No one seriously doubts that the media failed to vet this guy, but I find it hard to believe that in some room, somewhere, some serious top level journalist, editor or party elder has done a quality investigation just to make sure its not true.
To risk the destruction of the DNC... I would image that even the liberals in the media wouldn't want that. And throwing one guy under the bus to save the party is not out of the question for libs and the media, its happened before.
What would make Osama any different, why risk the literal destruction of the political party they worship for this one guy, who's frankly not even a very good liberal, by liberal standards... even his healthcare nightmare isn't what 90% of those who voted for him wanted, they were after full on cradle to grave commie care. Which while it is a disaster, its not full bore socialized medicine. And it looks as if the Repubs can defund it if they wanted to, so again what's he gotten the DNC and the MSM, why would they risk it all for one lackluster center-center-left-liberal?
There liberals yes, their ideologically driven yes, but I find it hard to believe that not one serious journalist guy or gal employed by the likes of the NY Times can't see or think far enough ahead to realize that no matter how absurd they think it might be. That if true it would destroy the entire DNC, their Saint Osama and create a Constitutional Crisis in this country that could possibly tear it apart.
I don't buy it... even dictators understand the idea of the endgame.
So I ask, what's the deal... why is Trump raising nine kinds of hell, what does he have?
Or is has he just lost it?
The last thing we need going into a presidential campaign is another loon-bat on the loose, running from TV camera to TV camera talking up issues. Taking away from our serious choice, if we even have one...
You know the media will eat that up and spend as much time and energy as humanly possible making sure he's on TV babbling on and on about God only knows what, while wearing a shower curtain with noodle strainer on his head.
We all better hope Trump has something.
If not and he drags this out until the middle of the campaign it will be a guaranteed 4 more years of Osama. And if Trump crashes and burns in too dramatic of a fashion he could impact House and Senate races. We could lose more seats in the Senate and lose the House.
Its not out of the realm of possibility.
The most plausible explanation I've read here on FR is that he won't release any information related to his birth certificate because the name on the birth certificate is Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama. And there's likely evidence suggesting that he's gone by the name Barry Soetoro in many different capacities in his earlier life.
The real issue here isn't whether Obama was born in the U.S. It's whether the jug-eared dope sitting in the White House is really named Barack Obama.
DONALD TRUMP:
I am saying I want to see the birth certificate. It’s very simple. I want to see the birth certificate. How come his own family doesn’t know which hospital he was born in? How come– forget about birth certificates. Let’s say there’s no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the…in the hospital itself, there’s no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn’t say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here’s your room bill. You know, all the...
MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You’ve been privy to all of this to know this?
DONALD TRUMP:
Well, I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re talking.
MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You have people now out there searching– I mean, in Hawaii?
DONALD TRUMP:
Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they’re finding. And I’m serious–
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/04/07/they-cannot-believe-what-theyre-finding/
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You cannot even get a drivers license or marriage license with the certification of live birth Hussein presented.
Here is the difference:
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm
“The most plausible explanation I’ve read here on FR is that he won’t release any information related to his birth certificate because the name on the birth certificate is Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama.”
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Well, besides being embarrassing, it would disqualify him.
“He’s not foreign born or anything unusual like that. He simply started out as plain Barry, which is listed on the birth certificate, and then became a Muslim. He would prefer that you not figure this out and ask some stupid questions. Based on political help and insistence....he’s pretended he’s still Christian....just to get to the top. Nothing wrong with that...but it’s probably not a trait of honesty.”
not foreign born or anything unusual like that:
He was born of a foreign father, adopted by a foreign step father
he’s pretended he’s STILL a Christian:
I doubt he ever was, he just became committed to Islam in college.
HOWEVER as innocent as you think this all may be, this person AKA Barack Hussein Obama stated his goal is to FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
This statement of his, added to the fact that he is not a natural born citizen, shows that his allegience is NOT to the constitution and preserving the United States of America as we know it.
I totally agree with that, which is why I stated that I was not particularly sure Trump could be trusted. He definitely has other motives, and they could range from the benign (free publicity) to the nefarious (the second-coming of Ross Perot). However, he has definitely provided the most serious backing for the Birther movement since the issue first came up. Far more than Orly, to use a loony example, could have done (and I am so certain she was either crazy or pulling for the other side). With Trump, the issue simply will not go away that easily. However, as a Conservative, he is not even a small ‘c’ conservative.
Don't be such a gutless coward about the MSM.
All Trump needs to do is discuss the meaning of natural born Citizen. He has yet to even mention the term.
I think the Ct Soc Sec is the smoking gun in the mystery of the Kenyan Impostor. The Kenyan has committed identity fraud. All else devolves from there.
Follow the soc sec.....
His Birth records will end his political career if they become public.
We, the people of the United States, need to know why.
It’s that simple.
The cover-up is about who Barry's real parents are.
ltr
That cite itself just restates the fact reported by a WND article it links to. But the WND article does not give date, committee or any other information (that I saw in the article) that could truly validate the claim of a hearing. I think the subject of NBC was also investigated and discussed in re Barry Goldwater.
We have no idea what he is hiding.
I believe you are wrong about this. Throughout the 1970's and 1980's the US had a closer strategic relationship with Pakistan than we had with India, and while a Pakistani consular visa stamp would have been required by their customs authorities, a US passport was certainly a valid travel document to get into the country. The kind of restriction you're describing would have only applied to places like Cuba, North Korea, and (at that time) Libya.
I've traveled to countries using a regular US passport which, at the time, had no regular diplomatic relations with America (Iraq and Syria in the early 80's are my best personal examples). Having those visas in my passport was never an issue coming back into the US. The list of countries that are actually forbidden to US passport holders is and has always been quite short.
This, however, in no way disputes the theory that Obama may have qualified for, obtained, and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. The problem is his passport and all other relevant records are under seal and that leads to all kinds of conjecture. Making it so people who question his background can be labeled conspiracy nuts through a shell game of misdirection may well be a part or even the main rationale behind all this unprecedented secrecy. But spending several million $'s to do that should seem over the top to any reasoning person.
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Go ASA Vet! I’m behind you 100 percent. I’ve been following this issue since the campaign. Thanks for your continued hard work.
Going beyond the birth certificate this is the real issue.
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