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Posted on 04/29/2011 1:36:27 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer

Quick vanity question: I know that royals do not technically have last names but descendants of George VI not in the royal line go by Windsor, descendants of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip, by the name Montbatten-Windsor. However William, Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie have all elected to use their House names, Wales and York respectively. Now however, William is head of his own house, that of Cambridge.

So how did William sign the wedding register? William Wales, Windsor, Montbatten-Windsor, or Cambridge? It would be interesting to see if he changes the name on his flight suit to Cambridge.


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1 posted on 04/29/2011 1:36:30 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer
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To: Thurifer the Censer

I think William Wales

Offically The Windsor family is that family any royal that not in direct line of throne is allow to used both Mountbatten Windsor family name combine

I hope that helps LOL!


2 posted on 04/29/2011 1:40:52 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: Thurifer the Censer
Non inquiring minds don't give a crap..Whoops, did I say that?
3 posted on 04/29/2011 1:41:00 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Thurifer the Censer

I think William Wales

Offically The Windsor family is that family any royal that not in direct line of throne is allow to used both Mountbatten Windsor family name combine

I hope that helps LOL!


4 posted on 04/29/2011 1:41:00 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: t1b8zs

And yet, here you are...


5 posted on 04/29/2011 1:42:20 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: brytlea

Ironic, huh?


6 posted on 04/29/2011 1:44:20 PM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: Thurifer the Censer

The original last name was Battenberg, as the Royals are actually Germans.

However in the anti-German hysteria of WWI the name was Anglicized to Mountbatten.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 1:44:40 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Thurifer the Censer

A real man names himself.


8 posted on 04/29/2011 1:48:15 PM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: SevenofNine

Charles is the Prince of Wales. William is not. So, how does he get to use “Wales”. The Prince of Wales title is one that has always (I believe) been used for the heir to the throne, which would be Charles.


9 posted on 04/29/2011 1:48:43 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Thurifer the Censer

The family name of the British royal family is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, after Queen Victoria’s husband Albert. Victoria was a Hanover. The family began calling themselves Windsor during the First World War because it sounds less German.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 1:49:29 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Thurifer the Censer
So how did William sign the wedding register?

I've seen a scan of the page.. THERE'S LAYERS! FAKE!

11 posted on 04/29/2011 1:50:01 PM PDT by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Thurifer the Censer
Here's my question, based from my ignorance of the royal heirarchy:

Elizibeth is the Queen, Prince Charles is her son...now:

If the Queen dies, does Charles become King? Does that make Fergie the new Queen?

If Charles dies and Fergie is left the Queen, when will William get to the throne? And when and if he does, does that make his new bride the Queen...if so, what happens to Fergie?

There, I've confused myself enough for one day..
12 posted on 04/29/2011 1:50:44 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

William could use Wales because before his marriage he was a member of his father’s house, the House of Wales


13 posted on 04/29/2011 1:51:16 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: LibertarianLiz

William could use Wales because before his marriage he was a member of his father’s house, the House of Wales


14 posted on 04/29/2011 1:51:29 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: Thurifer the Censer

I can’t believe you’re really interested in that.


15 posted on 04/29/2011 1:52:40 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Thurifer the Censer

It’s officially Windsor. It was established as a legal surname for the royal family during WWI. I read some time ago that although he eschews the name, it’s what is listed on Harry’s service papers.

I doubt William signed his own register. I didn’t sign mine, I hope I wasn’t supposed to, but c’mon, my name was already printed in big bold letters at the top. Harry Probably signed Prince Harry (short title) and the Queen no doubt used her typical Elizabeth R..


16 posted on 04/29/2011 1:53:12 PM PDT by Melas
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To: FrankR

‘Balls’ said the Queen ‘if I had them I’d be King’.

The King laughed because he had too.


17 posted on 04/29/2011 1:53:40 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Thurifer the Censer
This is from the Official Wedding Program of William and Kate:

William Arthur Philip Louis, wilt thou have this woman to thy wedded wife, to live together according to God’s law in the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt thou love her, comfort her, honour and keep her, in sickness and in health? and, forsaking all other, keep thee only unto her, so long as ye both shall live?

Perhaps Louis is his real last name, like Smith or Jones. Wales may be some kind of title name. I really don't know.
18 posted on 04/29/2011 1:55:24 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: NCC-1701

Louis is one of his three middle names.


19 posted on 04/29/2011 1:58:59 PM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: Thurifer the Censer
I don't think that is how it works with "Wales". The Queen conferred the title of "Cambridge" for William and Kate; but the title of Prince/Princess of Wales is one that is an investiture (I think that is the term). Charles went through a ritual ceremony in Wales when he was in his early 20's, and the Queen was involved with this ritual.

You could be right about this, but I think that the "Wales" title is a singular title and not really a surname type of title.

20 posted on 04/29/2011 2:00:06 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: FrankR

I think you mean Camilla, not Fergie. But if Queen Elizabeth dies Charles will become King. Normally his wife would become Queen, but given the ill-will many still feel towards her from the Diana days that may not be politically possible, if not then she will be given a lesser title, such as Princess Consort (just as Prince Phillips title is the Prince Consort). If Charles becomes King and then dies William and Catherine would become King and Queen and Camilla would be either the Queen Dowager (if she is crowned queen) or some other formulation if she is not


21 posted on 04/29/2011 2:02:04 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: brytlea

where


22 posted on 04/29/2011 2:02:41 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Thurifer the Censer

They’re all freaking Germans


23 posted on 04/29/2011 2:03:54 PM PDT by jrg
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To: FrankR
Okay, you are really confused. Fergie is the ex-wife of Charles brother, Andrew. She is not going to be Queen of anything anytime soon.

If you mean, Camilla, (Charles' wife). She may or may not become "Queen" depending on whether or not the family thinks the public will accept it. She seems to be more popular now than when they first married.

When Charles dies, William becomes King. Camilla is retired. She has no right to a title just because she married Charles. Now, if Diana had lived, and she and Charles had remained married. When Charles dies, she would have had the title of "Queen Mother" (as Queen Elizabeth's mother was called).

Does that help, or did I just confuse you more?

24 posted on 04/29/2011 2:05:37 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

He used Wales last name in the miltary

He go by William Wales in official documents go back to his school boys days


25 posted on 04/29/2011 2:06:52 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: SevenofNine

Really? Okay, I’ve learned something.


26 posted on 04/29/2011 2:08:32 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

....If Charles dies before Elizabeth...who becomes king when Elizabeth dies? Andrew or William?


27 posted on 04/29/2011 2:10:18 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: t1b8zs
You've never done genealogy and run into somebody with a title as a surname have you? For old American families it isn't difficult. Used to be, before it was civilized a bit, that the only folks coming here were the younger brothers of a titled noble man or prisoners of some sort.

You live in a nation founded by the dispossessed ~ from both the top rung of society, and the bottom.

Once they got it in order folks from the middle could come here ~ and pay their own way. The noblemen's sons usually sent the bill to their eldest brother or dear old dad. The prisoners were happy enough for the free ride ~ better than a death penalty.

28 posted on 04/29/2011 2:10:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibertarianLiz

As an heir apparent (cannot be knocked out of line by a future birth), William would have also had the title Prince of Wales. A presumptive heir such as Harry would not.

However it all changed today. Prince Charles official government website addressed William as Prince of Wales until today, as he is now the Duke of Cambridge.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 2:10:43 PM PDT by Melas
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To: pgkdan

Seems like a lot of work for things you don’t care about... ;)


30 posted on 04/29/2011 2:12:51 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: jrg
There's a Magyar prince in the background of virtually every member of what's called "the Family".

All of Europe's current nobles and royals are part of a large melange of cousins mostly traced back to Hugh Capet, a French dude, kinda. This is an historic wedding for the Brits because they've added someone new to the lines.

They needed it bad!

31 posted on 04/29/2011 2:14:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FrankR
There, I've confused myself enough for one day..

Don't be so modest. - for the rest of the year at least.

Fergie is lead singer for the group Black Eyed Peas. AFAIK, she is not related by birth or marriage to the British Royal Family, and thus unlikel;y to become Queen.

32 posted on 04/29/2011 2:17:37 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.- H. L. Mencken)
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To: TaxPayer2000

This says the line of succession is William (if Charles predeceases Elizabeth) . Then Harry (if William has no children).
http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/british-royal-succession.html


33 posted on 04/29/2011 2:17:47 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: t1b8zs

I’m sorry, you don’t know where you are?


34 posted on 04/29/2011 2:19:05 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: TaxPayer2000

William would be the king. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but if Kate and William have kids, they would be elevated above Harry in the line of succession?


35 posted on 04/29/2011 2:19:13 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (THERE IS NO EXCUSE ANY LONGER.)
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To: muawiyah

Was Diana not new blood? (I’m not a royal follower, so I don’t have a clue, but she did seem to add some better genes, at least a little height and better looks).


36 posted on 04/29/2011 2:23:30 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

You are correct. It appears that in the line of succession, the oldest son is the one, and then his children automatically (if he has them and then their children, etc). If he has none, then it goes on to the next son. A daughter apparently can be Queen if there are no sons. I believe there is talk of changing that law tho, which they are trying to do before William and Kate have kids. I don’t see why not, Elizabeth has been a good monarch, and I expect if the English folk want that, it would work out.


37 posted on 04/29/2011 2:26:05 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Unfortunately for you, that’s not the case.

Their family name is Oldenburg, of the House of Oldenburg.

Prince Philip is a junior line descendent of one of the junior lines of Oldenburg:

Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg.

So, in really, he would be Prince William Oldenburg of Wales.


38 posted on 04/29/2011 2:30:37 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Replied Henny Penny, "The sky is falling, and we must go to tell the king.")
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To: SeeSharp

Again, not the case.

The family name of Queen Elizabeth, is that of the House of Guelph.

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is a cadet branch of the house of Guelph-Este.


39 posted on 04/29/2011 2:31:57 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Replied Henny Penny, "The sky is falling, and we must go to tell the king.")
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To: Thurifer the Censer

Here’s the info about last names and succession, straight from the official website of the British Monarchy:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/TheRoyalFamilyname/Overview.aspx

http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/Successionandprecedence/Succession/Overview.aspx


40 posted on 04/29/2011 2:33:42 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but if Kate and William have kids, they would be elevated above Harry in the line of succession?

That's correct. Just like William and Harry (as Charles' sons) come before Andrew and Edward (as Charles' brothers) in succession.

41 posted on 04/29/2011 2:36:06 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: brytlea

Yes she was.

Prince Philip is Greek and Danish. Mostly Danish.

Diana is wholly English.

Elizabeth’s mom was wholly English as well, and her dad, was German.

So for William, now Duke of Cambridge, with his great-grandparents:

Danish, Greek, English, German, English, English, English, English.

That makes him 5/8ths English, 1/8th Dane, 1/8th German, 1/8th Greek.


42 posted on 04/29/2011 2:38:10 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Replied Henny Penny, "The sky is falling, and we must go to tell the king.")
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To: t1b8zs
Non inquiring minds don't give a crap..Whoops, did I say that?

if you hadn't, I would have

43 posted on 04/29/2011 2:41:05 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: TheRightGuy

Then you two, talk amongst yourselves...scones and tea are in the corner...


44 posted on 04/29/2011 2:43:42 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: brytlea
Back in the days when folks were scouting out possible brides for Chuck she was dismissed as "just another Earl's daughter" ~ so, yeah, she's part of the clan.

Her family had gone into sausage making. Guess they ran out of money.

45 posted on 04/29/2011 2:44:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BenKenobi

Thank you for the info. My Mom was very into family history. Of course the most interesting thing was discovering what a mongrel I am. :)


46 posted on 04/29/2011 2:44:38 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: NCC-1701

No, those are all his Christian names. Louis is for Louis Mountbatten, who had a great influence on Prince Charles.


47 posted on 04/29/2011 2:51:47 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Thurifer the Censer; LibertarianLiz
You are both right...I did mean Camilla...I don't know where I got Fergie from.

But you have both greatly enlightened me and I do appreciate it.

48 posted on 04/29/2011 2:53:52 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: Thurifer the Censer

No, Camilla will never be crowned at all and will never be anything other than the Duchess of Cornwall. That was the deal that was made before the marriage.


49 posted on 04/29/2011 2:55:22 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: muawiyah

For some reason I thought they were from South Africa. Why did I think that? They were certainly better looking than the Windsors. Can you imagine trying to learn English History for school children? Yikes!


50 posted on 04/29/2011 2:56:56 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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