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Irish Bombshell: Government Raids PRIVATE Pensions To Pay For Spending (Could it happen here?)
Business Insider ^ | 05/10/2011 | Joe Weisenthal and Gregory White

Posted on 05/10/2011 9:52:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Ireland's minister of finance, Michael Noonan, has outlined plans for a new tax on private pensions in Ireland.

The new tax on private pensions will be 0.6%, and last for four years.

Earlier:

This was just tweeted by Ireland's RTE News:

BREAKING: The Government is to impose a 0.6% levy on private pension funds for the next four years to fund its #jobsinitiative #dail

Doubt this will go over well.

More details to come...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: debt; ireland; pension; pensions; plunder; seized; spending; theft
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21 posted on 05/10/2011 10:36:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Michael Barnes

You mean that Obama could do an end around on Congress?


22 posted on 05/10/2011 10:37:58 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Michael Barnes

He’s already done it. It’s coming through the Obamacare bill and SS. Social Security will be means tested, but Obama wants to make it look as though the Republicans are advocating it.

The tax on the 401Ks will come in the form of reduced SS payment. The bigger the 401K, the higher the tax, the lower the SS payment.


23 posted on 05/10/2011 10:41:40 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Honestly Eva, I don’t know what exactly “they” are capable of anymore. The track record shows “by any means necessary” and we apparently have a SCOTUS that can’t be bothered with Constitutional matters anymore; least not hot button matters.


24 posted on 05/10/2011 10:41:47 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Eva

“The GOP has control of Congress and there are enough T-Party people there that would not let this go through without a public vote.”

The number of people with a significant amount of money in these plans is probably not enough to overcome the liberal media’s championing of the cause.


25 posted on 05/10/2011 10:44:19 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone’s got to pay off the Banks somehow.

Bloody way to run a country that could be extremely productive into the ground,same thing that happened under British rule is happening now.Most likely it will lead to the same results.

Then the lunatics running this country will go crying that they had to pay for making a mess of things,what a bunch of ignorant trash.


26 posted on 05/10/2011 10:46:20 AM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


27 posted on 05/10/2011 11:04:47 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge the RINO's.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What do we get for putting our money in a (pre-tax) IRA or 401K? Do we get a tax break? Not really, we get taxed on the full amount, it is just delayed. So what good is it? It is rules city, limits and penalties if we withdraw early, withdraw late, etc., etc.. And now it is in danger of being taxed or confiscated. For what? The big, great, advantage of delaying taxes from when it is earned to when it is spent. It ain’t worth it.


28 posted on 05/10/2011 11:08:00 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: webstersII

I don’t know, it seems to me that almost everyone who works in the private sector has a 401K.

Maybe we should suggest that the tax be extended to union pensions at the same rate.


29 posted on 05/10/2011 11:08:09 AM PDT by Eva
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To: sportutegrl

Of course the assumption is that the tax rates in the future will be comparable to today’s tax rates, but what if they are much higher in the future?


30 posted on 05/10/2011 11:09:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Eva
The problem with it happening here is that we will have some notice and a whole lot of money would leave the country in a very short period of time.

No actually. You won't have ANY notice. You'll wake up, and poof they will be GONE.

If you don't HOLD it, you don't OWN it.

31 posted on 05/10/2011 11:09:19 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (On a long enough timeline the inflation rate for all fiat currencies approaches infinity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Folks, this are two reasons why governments love pension progrms. The first reason is the ostensible concern that people are too stupid to save for their old age. The second is that pension programs create vast pools of wealth that can be easily tapped into because they must account to government.


32 posted on 05/10/2011 11:12:00 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Eva

You do know that distributions from IRA and 401k accounts ALREADY increase the fraction of SS payments included in taxable income. Once upon a time, all SS payment were tax-exempt because FICA taxes were originally subject to income tax. That changed during the Reagan Administration.

Additional means testing of SS benefits is inevitable regardless of whether Republicans or Democrats are in charge. The government’s welfare programs, especially Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, are simply unsustainable. They are programmed to blow up, and there is nothing that can prevent it. Goldwater warned of this day back in the 1960s. It’s not a matter of “if”, but “when”.


33 posted on 05/10/2011 11:24:26 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: dfwgator

Exactly. We don’t know what the tax rates in the future will be, but if the debt bomb is any clue, they will probably be much higher.


34 posted on 05/10/2011 11:27:06 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: SeekAndFind
The new tax on private pensions will be 0.6%, and last for four years.

As soon as the road is paid for we'll stop collecting tolls.

35 posted on 05/10/2011 12:03:19 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill

RE: The new tax on private pensions will be 0.6%, and last for four years.


HA HA HA “last for four years” my foot.

Remember what Ronald Reagan warned after years of governing and observing :

“The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.”


36 posted on 05/10/2011 12:31:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: PGR88

That’s why inflation is goobermint’ favorite tax.


37 posted on 05/10/2011 2:12:36 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Eva

“I don’t know, it seems to me that almost everyone who works in the private sector has a 401K.”

Yes, but what you have to look at is how many people have over, say, $20,000. I read a statistic that said that number was fairly small. The gov’t will say that they are going to take that paltry sum and offer a better benefit.

I think lots of people are dumb enough to believe it.


38 posted on 05/10/2011 6:37:23 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Eva

Unless they make it retroactive, which the Feds have done in the past?


39 posted on 05/10/2011 10:01:06 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Eva

So it is best to spend it all now, instead of saving up for retirement?


40 posted on 05/10/2011 10:02:52 PM PDT by rawhide
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