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Posted on 05/24/2011 7:31:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz
Well, that is how Catholics have been targetted for years. Now you know
Note -- these comments below are from just one user on one thread. The same user has written such on other threads and many other users use the same words of hate:
in ALL of these, just remove "fundie" with Catholic and these are posts posted just last week.
You say you I've internalized some of the aggravation and anger that built up over the years watching others attack those who I would consider a friend in the real world. -- now tell me how come you never noticed the above comments? These have been repeated years on end and you never "internalized" the hatred? You never noticed that posters were constantly trying to paint Catholics as "gullible fools who never think for ourselves. "?
Even your very own post accused Catholics of this group think that you say you "fundamentalists" are accused of.
Hey, I got no problem with that -- if people stop accusing me of having white hankies or calling me names, I got no problem. As Quix may attest, on a thread when he wants to share his faith or even disagree with me civilly, I have no problem at all with agreeing to disagree or even accepting a point.
and that is all I ask to know. But can you believe it, people refuse to say that they do or don't? And they claim it is a personal question to ask that on a religion forum?!!
I even made a concession to our Baptist friends who of course are Christian -- as they baulk at creeds, as long as they hold to the main points of the creed (I even say ok if they don't completely agree with the baptism part) but there are still many of the most virulent haters who won't say whether they even believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior! The same poster who posted the hateful comments I linked above, is one such..
well you are a saint. however, how about if someone said the points in post 302 to you, just replace "fundies" or "fundamentalism" with your name. Those are the comments continuously used against me and my beliefs. But they don't "hurt" per se so much as people cursing God as I see it in the Eucharist, saying He is just a cracker or worse.
BTW, I tried to find the long post of yours that I’d wanted to reply more substantively to—looked quite a while and never found it. Sorry.
In terms of the white-hanky stuff . . . that ilk of thing is MORE THAN WARRANTED given the stimuli the RC’s et al throw at proddys routinely around here.
It is the best quick—short-hand way of communicating what I see as very serious Scriptural truths about Christianity and what NOT to give in to.
Folks can take it personally, or not.
Folks can ignore it, or not.
Folks can laugh it off, or not.
Folks can respond in kind, or not.
Folks can consider it absurd, or not.
Folks can be outraged and lose sleep over it, or not.
Folks can learn from the metaphor, or not.
It’s not likely that the metaphor will cease as long as I am able to write.
I much rather have such a person than one who's only aim is to curse me (neither of you qualify for that latter!)
That is dripping hate.
Valid -- so, see paladin, this is the thick-skinned attitude that quix has. You and I don't have quite the same nonchalance as he! But everyone has their own characteristic.
Camping, just like any other false teacher, uses the Scriptures but uses them in such a way as to confuse and trap those who don't know the truth. (Not The Truth, as in Christ, but the truth of what is contained in Scripture.) Any Spirit-filled, mature Christian is going to see right through Camping's lies and that's exactly what happened. Those that fell for Camping's lies, by definition, were obviously not Spiritually mature enough to know why HC was wrong. I don't doubt that they may be believers, but I have a real problem believing that they were mature believers.
As for Catholics being accused of being gullible fools who never think for themselves, while I know what you're speaking of, I reject that claim on the grounds that the accusation is grounded in the RCC's own demands that Catholics must accept the official Catholic doctrine and any deviation from that doctrine is met with hostility. How can we not think that Catholics have a problem with thinking for themselves when this is the case? Actually, a better question would be one of how can we not think that the Roman Church has a problem with people coming to their own conclusions, which may disagree with official doctrine?
Can you see where I, as well as many other non-Catholics, are coming from in this regard?
As for my own attitude, if you'll look through my posts, I'm usually very laid back, methodical, even somewhat dull in my approach at times and I've occasionally been accused of "plodding" along towards my goals, to be honest, but that's the engineer in me. I see things as black and white, on or off, right or wrong. There is no gray area, just areas of confusion which have yet to be cleared up. Slow and steady will clear up any questions, so that's what I strive for. Unfortunately, when I do get agitated, such as what happened above, I usually respond quicker than I should and I make quite a few mistakes, often winding up later having to retract things I said. As for being thicker skinned, I am actually fairly thick skinned, but I do have weaknesses just like everyone else. It's just that those weaknesses seem to coincide with areas that I'm passionate about, such as Scripture or the Military or History.
This post just absolutely baffles me. Not that I don't understand what you're trying to say, but I don't understand the mindset behind refusing to say what you believe. I mean, I understand it if the person is a troll, but trolling to what end? Do these trolls really think that ridicule can change a person's beliefs and convictions? Do they not know history? Do they not know what happens every time someone successfully persecutes the Church? If the entire point of trolling is to sideline and marginalize Christians, the absolute worst thing they could do is ridicule us. If I were a troll, I'd be attempting to get the Body of Christ relax and start concentrating on worldly things instead of concentrating on spiritual matters like doctrine or eschatology. Nothing good, from their prospective, can come of a group of Christians attempting to determine who's right about a subject because eventually the matter will be settled and the experience gained will be put to use in other areas.
At least we don't have to deal with the magnet crap like other groups do. That's just asinine, even for something from 4chan.
That's because they DON'T. Their only purpose in the Religion forum is to sow division and incite anger.
It’s a principle they are standing for, imho.
Some have been badgered relentlessly about that . . . harshly, insultingly, relentlessly.
When, actually, their beliefs have been evident in their postings for years and the accusations are off the wall wrong from the git-go.
At this point, they refuse to be badgered, tricked, manipulated etc.
AND the principle of sufficient privacy for safety is an important one worth standing up for.
And I count it all joy!
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. - Psalms 2:1-5
INDEED.
I didn’t realize we shared all those ‘labels’ in common, too! LOL.
Not the Grande Dame of FR! LOL.
It does leave me increasingly read to blow this popsickle stand for GLORY, though.
I've been called gnostic, apostate, heretic, coward - and my personal favorites are when they throw Scriptures at me, e.g. white washed tomb, Pharisee, viper.
I count it all joy!
And like you, I look forward to heaven.
Was going to ask this partially vain question privately . . . but I think some might learn something to ask it publically and see your response.
Of the FREEPERS who are not . . . per se . . . Pentecostal/charismatic (though I’m sure many of those are almost as mystified as many of the others! LOL),
What percentage of those not predisposed to my cosmology, perspective . . .
really ‘get’ Quix—mostives, priorities, goals, even personality
vs
what percentage REALLY do NOT?
I know you are bright and spiritually sensitive. And that certainly contributes.
But I’m skeptical that the intellectual brightness or even the spiritual sensitivity is what makes it so easy for you to understand me. I think it’s that you’ve been through so many excruciating long dark nights of the soul and had so many phoney self-protective layers stripped away—stripping you down to the essentials of personhood loving God and being loved of God—making it so much easier for you to love others without affectations, artifice etc. ???
I think most of the blustering that goes on . . . is still greatly ego driven; flesh driven; striving in the flesh; grand standing; puffed up stuff—wood, hay, stubble. Little, if anything of eternal substance or value.
There are still tooooo many lists of things still under toooo much personal ego driven, insecurity driven !!!!CONTROL!!!!
Therefore, “DIFFERENT” folks—particularly those annoyingly, startlingly, brazenly DIFFERENT folks are perceived at some level as a threat to be squelched, squashed, obliterated—almost at all costs.
Methinks in coming months and next several years . . . as survival becomes such an excruciating challenge for so many—such hollow priorities will be burned away, blown away, stripped off . . . or the individuals concerned will go down in flames clutching their precious chaff.
I just know that in my classes and counseling, God has relentlessly used me as a major object lesson—good and bad. LOL. And the less hung-up about such I became, the freer He used me—resulting in better and more fruit.
PRAISE GOD.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Toward the end of every semester, one of the Attendance card questions I ask is “If Dr Quix could give you any intangible out of his person into you, what 3 things would you want from him?”
It’s a great measure of how much they have paid attention and how much their values have shifted from shallow to eternal. Besides, I love their answers. I think this last class, every student showed significant movement toward more eternal, relationship priority values. PRAISE GOD!
Humans are such funny critters . . . resisting learning GOOD things from observing . . . doggedly insisting on learning so many things the hard way.
I often feel toward some other FREEPERS . . . if only you or I or some other very battered travelers on the road to Glory could just transfuse a bit of our crazy life’d essence into them, they might not have to learn so much the hard way—that they seem so obsessively determined to do.
Thankfully, that’s Holy Spirit’s job. Alas, it requires more cooperation; abandonment, LETTING GO, than most such seem willing to take on.
Thankfully, God is faithful to finish what He’s started in us where there’s any significant degree of willingness and cooperation on the human side, at all.
Besides, He has LOTS of ways to make us hungry and make us willing! LOL.
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