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Why putting prisoners to work is a good idea
the Vancouver Sun ^ | May 27, 2011 | Georgialee Lang, Postmedia News

Posted on 05/31/2011 10:52:45 PM PDT by RC one

Languid days of potato-peeling, sweeping floors, afternoon naps, and reruns of Dog the Bounty Hunter may be over for inmates serving two years or less in Ontario's provincial prisons. The provincial Tories have announced their plan to put inmates to work if they're elected this fall.

The notion that inmates ought to work is far from novel, beginning with England's notorious penal labour programs and the infamous chain gangs of the 1930s in the southern American states, briefly resurrected in the 1990s.

In the 1950s, Hollywood regaled us with prison movies where inmates made license plates and sewed mailbags.

Canada's version of inmate labour has historically focused on prison farms — but farming has not provided inmates with skills that translate into employment, resulting in the federal government's closure of the farms, including the controversial shutdown of Frontenac Institution farm in Ontario last year.

The hue and cry from protesters was not enough to convince the Harper government that Canada's mostly urban prison population would retire to the country post-incarceration. Some of Frontenac's inmates are now servicing military vehicles, an occupation that is more likely to turn into stable employment.

Work for prisoners is an issue that finds consensus, no matter one's political stripes.


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all those jobs that Americans won't do that we need Illegal aliens for? I have a better idea. Put the prisoners to work in the fields. California is about to release felons into society because they can't afford to house them anymore. Rent those dirtbags out to the local farmers and make them earn their keep. This makes TOO MUCH SENSE PEOPLE. Then, once you have the dirtbags making a profit, you'll have people lining up to purchase the state owned prisons so THEY can rent out out the dirtbags for a profit. Furthermore, if prisoners are forced to work all day in the field as a slave for a decade or so (as opposed to sitting around watching cable television and buggering each other), they may be increasingly disinclined to commit further crimes upon their release. I see no downside. None.
1 posted on 05/31/2011 10:52:47 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one
I wonder if the Island down in French Guyana is for rent.
2 posted on 05/31/2011 10:54:50 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: screaminsunshine
LOL! Who remembers Papillon? I read the book before I saw the movie.

/johnny

3 posted on 05/31/2011 10:59:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: screaminsunshine

how does that turn a profit off the dirtbags? Put them to work. I’m not kidding around. We can’t afford to house them and we dang sure can’t afford to release them. They need to start paying for the food they eat, the beds they sleep in, and the guards that guard them.


4 posted on 05/31/2011 11:01:36 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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I see no downside. None.

What about the poor union workers they put out of jobs? /s

5 posted on 05/31/2011 11:02:00 PM PDT by umgud
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To: umgud

you mean the illegal mexicans that we supposedly need for our field work? what about them?


6 posted on 05/31/2011 11:03:34 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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all those jobs that Americans won't do that we need Illegal aliens for? I have a better idea. Put the prisoners to work in the fields.

Prisoners and Welfare moochers. Send the illegals, and their anchor babies, home.

7 posted on 05/31/2011 11:14:39 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: RC one

No, the illegals that CA has now approved for free tuition...and free medical stuff.


8 posted on 05/31/2011 11:16:17 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: RC one

I can’t think of anything more threatening to freedom than adding a profit motive to incarceration. That’s what Stalin and Hitler did.

They should do make-work. Yes - it costs society more that way. But it’s worth it.


9 posted on 05/31/2011 11:25:25 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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Bankruptcy and/or releasing criminals back into society because of overcrowding laws seems more threatening to me. I have no problem putting criminals to work. It makes sense, especially in hard economic times like this. Your argument sounds like the kind of liberal whining I'd expect to see on democratic underground frankly. America has an overabundance of low life criminals that have been sucking off the taxpayer teat for far too long and it's way past time to change this. Our crime rate has stayed low through these harsh economic times because we have rounded up the majority of the criminals. Once we start releasing them because justice has become too expensive, we are on our way back to the crime rates of the 70s/80s and I don't want to see that happen because that sounds more threatening to my liberty frankly.
10 posted on 06/01/2011 12:11:19 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Saw the movie, then read the book. The book was much better.


11 posted on 06/01/2011 1:25:18 AM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: RC one

Put them on stationary bikes that feed the energy produced into the power grid.

Instead of giving them 5 to 10 years, they can be sentenced to producing X amount of kilowatts of electricity.


12 posted on 06/01/2011 1:50:50 AM PDT by anonsquared
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“The provincial Tories have announced their plan to put inmates to work if they’re elected this fall.”


If the inmates are elected ?

English not required for reporting job.


13 posted on 06/01/2011 3:41:22 AM PDT by maine yankee
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Chain gangs of the 1930s? I remember seeing lines of prisoners in Florida chained to each other hacking the weeds beside Rte 231 guarded by a guy with big hat, sunglasses, and a shotgun. That was in the late 50s. A friend's daddy was on one such and used to say some of the prisoners wanted to be on those crews because there was nothing to do in the jail and they got to be outdoors. Some wanted on because they thought it might present an opportunity to escape.

Lots of prisoners now want to be on the work crews that have GPS leg bands instead of leg irons and no shotguns for the same reasons.

14 posted on 06/01/2011 4:37:19 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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Correction Officers Unions are already lobbying against changes in drug laws because that would lower the inmate population. Abuse of the Civil Forfeiture process has been well documented on, FR and elsewhere. It’s not hard to see where using inmates as money makers would take us.

Don’t get me wrong - I want dangerous people locked up. I’m a conservative because conservatives are the ones who realize power will always be abused. Liberals don’t; that’s why they’re dangerous.


15 posted on 06/01/2011 7:44:11 AM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: I Shall Endure

It’s interesting that we call China’s unpaid use of prisoners for all sorts of jobs “slave labor” but ignore the similarities to our forcing of prisoners to work on all sorts of manufacturing and agricultural jobs.

Why is one ‘slave labor’ and the other ‘justified punishment?”


16 posted on 06/01/2011 9:30:02 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: I Shall Endure

we have had chain gangs in the past. It was a good idea then and a good idea now. Prisons need to be filled with hard labor, not idle hands. Your acting as if the status quo “shall endure”. It shall not. did you see the link I included in the last post? Prisons are being forced to release prisoners early due to overcrowding and lack of money. releasing criminals back into society during these hard economic times can only lead to higher crime rates. So, what alternative do you suggest?


17 posted on 06/01/2011 10:26:07 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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