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Posted on 06/05/2011 3:12:27 PM PDT by PROCON
VERNAL, Utah (AP) - A Utah man has been cited on a charge of disorderly conduct after paying for a disputed medical bill with 2,500 pennies. The Deseret News of Salt Lake City reports Jason West went to Basin Clinic in Vernal on May 27 prepared to dispute an outstanding $25 bill.
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LOL, I hope he does it again.
I thought that currency was currency. Is paying a bill with pennies a message of sorts? Yeah. But money is money.
Pennies are LEGAL TENDER in all 57 States.
I wonder if anyone has paid their rent in pennies on the front lawn.
Someone should explain how paying a bill in legal American currency constitutes “disorderly conduct”. He is paying his disputed bill and he paid for it.
Sometimes I think it’s a shame when you feel like you’re winning...but your losing again.
I can’t remember the singer...it may have been Gordon Lightfoot.
Legal overreach. It’s legal tender. And there are coin-counting machines at many banks and grocery stores. Personally, I think it’s a waste of valuable copper over fiat-currency paper, but to each his own.
Yes... apparently pennies are no longer legal tender?
Who the hell cited this man for using lawful currency for paying of a bill? What disgusting nazi from the pit of hell thinks its okay to cite him becuase a priave institution was ticked off at method of payment?
Further, who is the government to dictate how any debt is paid for? I have seen this nazi garbage before where a tax bill was paid in 1 dollar bills and they cited the man for not paying with a specific check. Bullcrap...the government does not get to dictate terms so as to avoid being called out for being wrong.
It is legal currency, he can say that if they didn’t want to accept his legal currency, that is their choice to write-off his debt.
I would get a lawyer and sue the Doctor’s Office for failing to take U.S. tender and then explain to the court the office failed to take money back by the U.S Government, so thus the charges have to be thrown out.
Should of done it in nickles.
Washers cost 10 cents apiece. A penny with a hole driled in it makes a great washer and will never rust.
It’s not legal of course and I would never do such a thing.
I think all currency is legal to use, if I’m not mistaken. But it is the obligation of the business to make it work.
A business has the right to refuse the form of payment the customer wishes to use. A business could, if it wanted to do so, accept payments only in Russian rubles.
A smart business will be as flexible as they can be, but it was their right to not accept any particular form of payment they do not wish to accept.
I would guess the guy made a major jerk of himself while giving them the pennies. Reading the article confirm by thought.
“Assistant Vernal Police Chief Keith Campbell says that after asking staff members whether they accepted cash, West dumped 2,500 pennies on the counter and demanded that staff count them.
Campbell says the incident upset staff because pennies were strewn about the counter and floor, and West’s action served “no legitimate purpose.” “
Is this a great country or what?
Gordon Lightfoot, “Sundown”
Sometimes I think it’s a sin
When I feel like I’m winning when I’m losing again
Is a penny not legal tender? What’s the problem? Unless there’s more to it (shot his mouth off, too) I’d take that defense case!
The disorderly conduct wasn’t for paying with pennies, but for throwing loose pennies all over the office and demanding the staff count them. I would have kicked his butt if he pulled that stunt at my business.
A business has the right to decide if it will take how you wish to pay.
The man time associated with counting the pennies would probably wind up costing them more than the 25 dollars he paid.
I’d be happy to count it for him, in the least efficient way possible, and he could not help me count it, for I would have to confirm his count anyway.
And it would be a pleasure doing it.
Pay the fine in pennies. DON’T use penny wrappers. make them count it out one cent at a time, then take your bag or pail or container that you stored them in back home with you.
Big deal...that’s 50 rolls. It occupies a medium tupper ware container.
Yup..about 3” x 5” x 10”-—big whoop
They weren’t in rolls, he threw the pennies on the ground.
I recall reading somewhere that a penny is legal tender for a debt of up to ten dollars. Could be wrong though since I,ve only been to 50 states and it might be different in the other seven.
Years back I saved pennies....ended up with over 100.00 in pennies...the bank would only take them if I rolled them and each roll had to have my name on it....did 50 dollars and gave the rest to charity...I now throw pennies in the parking lot if I am given one in the store. hate those buggers.....10,000 pennies is heavy also..
Anybody else remember that WB cartoon where the woman goes to the bank and the lady in front of her is counting out pennies?
Yup, here in Oreganistan if you pay with pennies, it's a public flogging, you can only pay with food stamps.
I agree, West appears to have been in an agitated state. Perhaps he had good reason but dumping the pennies all over the counter and floor was just asking for it. If he had paid with the $25 box of rolled pennies shown in post #5, I suspect there would have been no problem.
No one would do anything UNTIL...I told them that I got turned down for a loan. Then everyone started talking to each other and straightened the damn thing out. The CREDIT BUREAU even called the loan company!!
I still cannot wrap my brain about a legal charge though.
Awe heck, they should have charged him with littering.
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He went too far when he dumped the pennies all over the counter. He should have just left them in a box and said they could count them when they had time.
I only read the Classics, you know, William Shakespere, John Milton, Hugh Hefner, (just read the articles, mind you..)
A friend of mine is a chemist. He checked over his daughters doctor bill and meds she had received. Sure enough....he recognized a drug she NEVER received...but was billed at $50 a pop. We all know the hassle that followed.
I often wonder what convoluted problem those people can possibly have in completing a transaction that typically takes me a minute and a half.
I found a brief annotation on what constitutes legal tender at 31 ALR 246 [which I reprieved from West law and is supposedly current as of June, 2004] on what constitutes "legal tender." It points out that with respect to coins as legal tender, "The minor coins of the United States are legal tender for any amount not exceeding 25 cents in any one payment. Act Feb. 12, 1873, Rev. Stat. ' 387, Comp. Stat. ' 6574, 6 Fed.Stat. Anno. 2d. ed. p. 298."Minor coins used to be defined as ones made out of copper or nickel. But since the US government began counterfeiting coins in 1965, I'm no longer certain whether all coins are now "minor coinage," or not.
Sidney D. Hemsley
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Well, that explains it. I guess there are restrictions. You certainly did your homework and you get an A+.
He wasn’t cited for trying to pay the bill in pennies. He was cited because he took the pennies, threw them all over the place, threw a tantrum like a petulant child, (likely with vulgarities) and caused a disruption in the business.
I see a lot of that kind of thinking around here lately. Funny thing is that the people doing it don't realize that they are engaging in the exact type of thing that they are protesting against, only in a weirdly perverse tyranny of the underclass sort of way.
Kinda like when a buncha petulant colonists tossed the crown’s tea in Boston Harbor?
Businesses and private citizens are free to determine what they will accept
for _payment_ of goods or services, e.g. “no checks accepted” “cash only”
“we accept credit cards”, whatever. The seller sets the terms.
A dollar denominated _debt_ is a different matter. They must accept payment in dollars, currently defined as US currency notes and coins.
Not sure about minor coinage though - they might be able to refuse pennies in amounts over $5.00, or at best the coins would need to be rolled. Most likely they will have to accept the pennies though.
What is interesting, if an offer to pay a _debt_ is refused, then the debt is no longer owed, for all intents and purposes. With all that said, it’s generally a bad idea to be a prick in this manner.
Police later issued the 38-year-old West a citation for disorderly conduct.
No legitimate purpose? He's paying his damn bill. Of course it was a legitimate purpose. YOU just didn't like the way he went about it. If they fine him, he should pay THAT in pennies also. And if he's taken to court, he should ask when the penny was no longer considered a valid American currency.
Police abusing the law again.