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Man cited after paying bill with 2,500 pennies
AP ^ | June 5, 2011

Posted on 06/05/2011 3:12:27 PM PDT by PROCON

VERNAL, Utah (AP) - A Utah man has been cited on a charge of disorderly conduct after paying for a disputed medical bill with 2,500 pennies. The Deseret News of Salt Lake City reports Jason West went to Basin Clinic in Vernal on May 27 prepared to dispute an outstanding $25 bill.

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That carries a fine of as much as $140. Or 14,000 pennies.

LOL, I hope he does it again.

1 posted on 06/05/2011 3:12:29 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

I thought that currency was currency. Is paying a bill with pennies a message of sorts? Yeah. But money is money.


2 posted on 06/05/2011 3:13:39 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: PROCON
Yep, fight it in court and pay any resultant fine in pennies.

Pennies are LEGAL TENDER in all 57 States.

3 posted on 06/05/2011 3:15:05 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PROCON

I wonder if anyone has paid their rent in pennies on the front lawn.


4 posted on 06/05/2011 3:15:12 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: PROCON

5 posted on 06/05/2011 3:18:35 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: momtothree

Someone should explain how paying a bill in legal American currency constitutes “disorderly conduct”. He is paying his disputed bill and he paid for it.


6 posted on 06/05/2011 3:20:50 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: PROCON

Domestic Terrorism!!


7 posted on 06/05/2011 3:20:50 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: PROCON

Sometimes I think it’s a shame when you feel like you’re winning...but your losing again.

I can’t remember the singer...it may have been Gordon Lightfoot.


8 posted on 06/05/2011 3:24:06 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: PROCON

Legal overreach. It’s legal tender. And there are coin-counting machines at many banks and grocery stores. Personally, I think it’s a waste of valuable copper over fiat-currency paper, but to each his own.


9 posted on 06/05/2011 3:24:30 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: momtothree

Yes... apparently pennies are no longer legal tender?


10 posted on 06/05/2011 3:24:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: PROCON

Who the hell cited this man for using lawful currency for paying of a bill? What disgusting nazi from the pit of hell thinks its okay to cite him becuase a priave institution was ticked off at method of payment?

Further, who is the government to dictate how any debt is paid for? I have seen this nazi garbage before where a tax bill was paid in 1 dollar bills and they cited the man for not paying with a specific check. Bullcrap...the government does not get to dictate terms so as to avoid being called out for being wrong.


11 posted on 06/05/2011 3:25:32 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: PROCON

It is legal currency, he can say that if they didn’t want to accept his legal currency, that is their choice to write-off his debt.


12 posted on 06/05/2011 3:26:38 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: PROCON

I would get a lawyer and sue the Doctor’s Office for failing to take U.S. tender and then explain to the court the office failed to take money back by the U.S Government, so thus the charges have to be thrown out.


13 posted on 06/05/2011 3:28:51 PM PDT by Trueblackman (The American People are looking beyond Obama.)
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To: PROCON

Should of done it in nickles.


14 posted on 06/05/2011 3:28:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: PROCON

Washers cost 10 cents apiece. A penny with a hole driled in it makes a great washer and will never rust.

It’s not legal of course and I would never do such a thing.


15 posted on 06/05/2011 3:31:01 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: momtothree

I think all currency is legal to use, if I’m not mistaken. But it is the obligation of the business to make it work.

A business has the right to refuse the form of payment the customer wishes to use. A business could, if it wanted to do so, accept payments only in Russian rubles.

A smart business will be as flexible as they can be, but it was their right to not accept any particular form of payment they do not wish to accept.


16 posted on 06/05/2011 3:31:15 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: PROCON

I would guess the guy made a major jerk of himself while giving them the pennies. Reading the article confirm by thought.

“Assistant Vernal Police Chief Keith Campbell says that after asking staff members whether they accepted cash, West dumped 2,500 pennies on the counter and demanded that staff count them.

Campbell says the incident upset staff because pennies were strewn about the counter and floor, and West’s action served “no legitimate purpose.” “


17 posted on 06/05/2011 3:33:14 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I am still looking for that box I am supposed to think out of.)
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To: PROCON
There is nothing new under the sun ...
someone already has a website about paying with pennies

Pay With Pennies

Is this a great country or what?

18 posted on 06/05/2011 3:34:51 PM PDT by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: PoloSec

Gordon Lightfoot, “Sundown”

Sometimes I think it’s a sin
When I feel like I’m winning when I’m losing again


19 posted on 06/05/2011 3:35:04 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: PROCON

Is a penny not legal tender? What’s the problem? Unless there’s more to it (shot his mouth off, too) I’d take that defense case!


20 posted on 06/05/2011 3:35:30 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: PROCON

The disorderly conduct wasn’t for paying with pennies, but for throwing loose pennies all over the office and demanding the staff count them. I would have kicked his butt if he pulled that stunt at my business.


21 posted on 06/05/2011 3:37:59 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: jagusafr

A business has the right to decide if it will take how you wish to pay.


22 posted on 06/05/2011 3:38:25 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Kirkwood

The man time associated with counting the pennies would probably wind up costing them more than the 25 dollars he paid.


23 posted on 06/05/2011 3:40:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kirkwood

I’d be happy to count it for him, in the least efficient way possible, and he could not help me count it, for I would have to confirm his count anyway.

And it would be a pleasure doing it.


24 posted on 06/05/2011 3:41:19 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: PROCON

Pay the fine in pennies. DON’T use penny wrappers. make them count it out one cent at a time, then take your bag or pail or container that you stored them in back home with you.


25 posted on 06/05/2011 3:44:33 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: PROCON

Big deal...that’s 50 rolls. It occupies a medium tupper ware container.


26 posted on 06/05/2011 3:45:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Brandonmark

Yup..about 3” x 5” x 10”-—big whoop


27 posted on 06/05/2011 3:47:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

They weren’t in rolls, he threw the pennies on the ground.


28 posted on 06/05/2011 3:47:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: momtothree

I recall reading somewhere that a penny is legal tender for a debt of up to ten dollars. Could be wrong though since I,ve only been to 50 states and it might be different in the other seven.


29 posted on 06/05/2011 3:48:16 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: ThomasThomas

Years back I saved pennies....ended up with over 100.00 in pennies...the bank would only take them if I rolled them and each roll had to have my name on it....did 50 dollars and gave the rest to charity...I now throw pennies in the parking lot if I am given one in the store. hate those buggers.....10,000 pennies is heavy also..


30 posted on 06/05/2011 3:50:18 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: PROCON
It wasn't the pennies, it was the lack of proper humility before his betters.
Had he said, “Aye, Yer Worship, and Lardship, I sold me eldest daughter to a Turkish brothel for the $25.”, he would have been deemed an honest man.
31 posted on 06/05/2011 3:51:38 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: PROCON

Anybody else remember that WB cartoon where the woman goes to the bank and the lady in front of her is counting out pennies?


32 posted on 06/05/2011 3:52:28 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: shelterguy
I,ve only been to 50 states and it might be different in the other seven.

Yup, here in Oreganistan if you pay with pennies, it's a public flogging, you can only pay with food stamps.

33 posted on 06/05/2011 3:53:38 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: ThomasThomas

I agree, West appears to have been in an agitated state. Perhaps he had good reason but dumping the pennies all over the counter and floor was just asking for it. If he had paid with the $25 box of rolled pennies shown in post #5, I suspect there would have been no problem.


34 posted on 06/05/2011 3:55:10 PM PDT by citizen (Palin lost me when she dumped the people of Alaska to seek fame & fortune in the lower 48. Epic Fail)
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To: dfwgator
I think we need the big picture. Was he charged unfairly in the first place?? I had a mark on my credit record because the doctor had filled out the paper incorrectly.

No one would do anything UNTIL...I told them that I got turned down for a loan. Then everyone started talking to each other and straightened the damn thing out. The CREDIT BUREAU even called the loan company!!

35 posted on 06/05/2011 3:56:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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I would have just left them in the wheelbarrow I bought just for the occasion.
36 posted on 06/05/2011 3:57:58 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: ThomasThomas
If they were boxed and rolled up the same point would have been made over the dispute.

I still cannot wrap my brain about a legal charge though.
Awe heck, they should have charged him with littering.

37 posted on 06/05/2011 4:00:50 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Sacajaweau

Manufacturer specs: 8.13” Height x 4.13” Width x 3.75” Depth


38 posted on 06/05/2011 4:01:11 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: momtothree

He went too far when he dumped the pennies all over the counter. He should have just left them in a box and said they could count them when they had time.


39 posted on 06/05/2011 4:01:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: nerdwithagun
Anybody else remember that WB cartoon

Sir/Madam,

I only read the Classics, you know, William Shakespere, John Milton, Hugh Hefner, (just read the articles, mind you..)

40 posted on 06/05/2011 4:02:48 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And what if....after all this...they find out that they DID make a billing error??

A friend of mine is a chemist. He checked over his daughters doctor bill and meds she had received. Sure enough....he recognized a drug she NEVER received...but was billed at $50 a pop. We all know the hassle that followed.

41 posted on 06/05/2011 4:09:09 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: nerdwithagun
I remember...probably because I'm reminded of it every time I go to the license bureau to renew my tabs.

I often wonder what convoluted problem those people can possibly have in completing a transaction that typically takes me a minute and a half.

42 posted on 06/05/2011 4:13:11 PM PDT by daler
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To: momtothree
Found at: http://www.mtas.tennessee.edu/Knowledgebase.nsf/0/AB04FB8C07985FEC852570310052C341
I found a brief annotation on what constitutes legal tender at 31 ALR 246 [which I reprieved from West law and is supposedly current as of June, 2004] on what constitutes "legal tender." It points out that with respect to coins as legal tender, "The minor coins of the United States are legal tender for any amount not exceeding 25 cents in any one payment. Act Feb. 12, 1873, Rev. Stat. ' 387, Comp. Stat. ' 6574, 6 Fed.Stat. Anno. 2d. ed. p. 298."

Sidney D. Hemsley
Senior Law Consultant

Minor coins used to be defined as ones made out of copper or nickel. But since the US government began counterfeiting coins in 1965, I'm no longer certain whether all coins are now "minor coinage," or not.

ML/NJ

43 posted on 06/05/2011 4:15:22 PM PDT by ml/nj
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Well, that explains it. I guess there are restrictions. You certainly did your homework and you get an A+.


44 posted on 06/05/2011 4:17:31 PM PDT by momtothree
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He wasn’t cited for trying to pay the bill in pennies. He was cited because he took the pennies, threw them all over the place, threw a tantrum like a petulant child, (likely with vulgarities) and caused a disruption in the business.


45 posted on 06/05/2011 4:31:00 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: count-your-change
It wasn't the pennies, it was the lack of proper humility before his betters.

I see a lot of that kind of thinking around here lately. Funny thing is that the people doing it don't realize that they are engaging in the exact type of thing that they are protesting against, only in a weirdly perverse tyranny of the underclass sort of way.

46 posted on 06/05/2011 4:33:47 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Kinda like when a buncha petulant colonists tossed the crown’s tea in Boston Harbor?


47 posted on 06/05/2011 4:36:04 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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To: Jonty30

Not quite.

Businesses and private citizens are free to determine what they will accept
for _payment_ of goods or services, e.g. “no checks accepted” “cash only”
“we accept credit cards”, whatever. The seller sets the terms.

A dollar denominated _debt_ is a different matter. They must accept payment in dollars, currently defined as US currency notes and coins.
Not sure about minor coinage though - they might be able to refuse pennies in amounts over $5.00, or at best the coins would need to be rolled. Most likely they will have to accept the pennies though.

What is interesting, if an offer to pay a _debt_ is refused, then the debt is no longer owed, for all intents and purposes. With all that said, it’s generally a bad idea to be a prick in this manner.


48 posted on 06/05/2011 4:42:10 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: PROCON
Campbell says the incident upset staff because pennies were strewn about the counter and floor, and West's action served "no legitimate purpose."

Police later issued the 38-year-old West a citation for disorderly conduct.

No legitimate purpose? He's paying his damn bill. Of course it was a legitimate purpose. YOU just didn't like the way he went about it. If they fine him, he should pay THAT in pennies also. And if he's taken to court, he should ask when the penny was no longer considered a valid American currency.

49 posted on 06/05/2011 4:45:05 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: OrangeHoof

Police abusing the law again.


50 posted on 06/05/2011 5:27:18 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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