Posted on 06/13/2011 10:11:42 AM PDT by OUTKAST
The jokes on kool-aid drinkers who depend on a lamestream hack media to give them “facts”. Get ahead of the curve son.
The jokes on kool-aid drinkers who depend on a lamestream hack media to give them “facts”. Get ahead of the curve son.
I bet you thought the Kenyan birth certificate was as “real” as you say the Hawaii COLB’s are fake.
Most of these supposed admissions are - like 0bama supposedly saying he was foreign born during the Alan Keyes debate - just more birther lies and delusion.
So when I heard the audio of that debate, I was hearing things, and then later when I went to listen to the audio again, it had disappeared from the internet because I never heard it in the first place. OK. I'll believe I didn't hear what I heard because you told me I didn't, and because it's not on the www anymore, and because I'm a birther and a liar.
And Obama never said "I'm foreign born" in the debate with Keyes. The exchange went something like this:
Keys- "You're not even a natural born U.S. citizen..."
Obama- "Uhhh...uhm...duh....uuuhhhh...hmmmmmm, uuuuh- I'm running for the Senate Mr. Keyes, not the Presidency (which was then followed by thunderous applause)."
Where is that audio now? I have no clue, but I know what I heard. I remember that it was shortly after my signup date in June 2008, back when the threads about the BC were thousands of pages long. I remember thinking to myself "...well, this should hurt Obama..."
ObaMahdi's army of net-scrubbers worked fast, and it was gone in no time.
You seem to be on a mission here, to save FR, the GOP, and birthers themselves, from birtherism, or so it seems, but where is the proof that birtherism somehow harms the cause of those who oppose Obama? I've seen nothing but bad political news for the demoncrats since Obama was elected. The Republicans (as feckless and limp-wristed as they may be) have won huge political gains since his election, all with birtherism blowing about full-throat in the background. I saw no backlash against the GOP due to birtherism then, and I see no backlash coming in 2012. Either you care about the issue or you don't, for the most part. I don't see lots of people saying "wow, yeah, I voted for Obama before but he totally fooled me, and I WAS going to vote AGAINST him in 2012, but now, because of the birthers, I'm voting for Obama again!" Not gonna happen.
You seem to think Obama is using birthers to elevate himself, which might be a tad more looney "conspiracy theory" than the one about Obama, the man with no transparency or records.
Frankly, you and others who come to these threads to disparage those who merely want to discuss the topic, are the ones who seem paranoid, at least to me.
Obama was dragged, kicking and screaming, into producing a largely "questionable" "abstract" non-longform (which the media insisted was the long-form ad) birth document. 2 days after he did, just as Trump had supposedly been humiliated by Obama, and as the more in-depth analysis of what he'd released began, BAM! He gets Osama! Goodbye BC/NBC discussion for good.
There is a "Natural Born Citizen" link at the top of the forum page. I imagine the owners of this site put it there because they think there is enough interest in the topic to warrant it's own special little place to discuss said topic. Want the topic removed? Yourself and other like-minded after-birthers can petition JR, and maybe you'll get your way, and maybe you won't, but otherwise, I really don't see how discussion of this topic is really hurting those who oppose Obama. I really don't. However, if you can show me how it's hurting our side, or even making FR look silly, I'd like to see your evidence.
Personally, what looks silly to me is believing anything about a man, or anything that comes out of the mouth of a man who has set up every possible roadblock to discover anything about anything he said or did in his past. Which takes us back to the Keyes/Obama debate: I know what I heard, and it would be foolish of me to ignore what I heard and act like I didn't hear it, especially when coupled with the last 3 years of obfuscation by obama. I would be shutting down the reasoning part of my brain.
You aren't here discussing the merits of your argument against the evidence stacked against you. You are arguing the sanity of people posting in a forum that is designed to corral together those of like minded thinking who want to talk about the topic.
You are obviously on the side that believes Obama's life story, which he presented in the form of two books. Great! Now, argue why birthers should believe what Obama says when stacked up against his long record of obliterating his own past.
Otherwise, you're really left with nothing but name calling and sanity questioning, based on the mere discussion of the topic itself. Is that allowed here?
Your insistance that you heard something is not “evidence”.
And birtherism IS damaging to Conservatism.
Look what it just did to Cain.
People who listen to birthers sound stupid talking about “travel bans” (as one GOP State legislator did), or “raised in Kenya” (as Keyes just did); and asking “Where is the Long Form?” blew up in faces and destroyed the candidacy of Trump the great birther white hope.
They may as well get on TV and say “fire doesn't melt steel”.
It is not a conspiracy theory to realize that 0bama is benefiting from this. He put out T-shirts and coffee mugs with his long form COLB.
Now I want you to think things through and have a destination in mind before you start your children's crusade.
You had THREE YEARS to show that the short form COLB was fake, yet nobody important seems convinced.
Do you plan on doing anything different this time?
Do you expect a different result after doing the same thing?
Your insistance that you heard something is not “evidence...”
It's evidence for me to distrust everything about the guy. Whether YOU or anyone else believes me or not, is irrelevant to me. You want me to believe you, rather than my own ears? Uh...no.
"...And birtherism IS damaging to Conservatism.
Look what it just did to Cain...."
Cain misspoke. He isn't leading the birther charge. That you use Cain misspeaking as an example to fortify your argument is laughable. Is that all you got?
"...People who listen to birthers sound stupid talking about “travel bans” (as one GOP State legislator did), or “raised in Kenya” (as Keyes just did)..."
Keyes? See how easy it is to confuse things? It must be the birthers fault, just like it was their fault that Cain said Kenya instead of Indonesia!
People who ignore a sitting president hiding all documentation about his past while saying to everyone else- "nothing to see here people, move along..." sound stupid too.
"...and asking 'Where is the Long Form?' blew up in faces and destroyed the candidacy of Trump the great birther white hope..."
Huh? Obama never released the long form, and Trump is not a conservative. Nevertheless, explain how all this has hurt conservatism, which you avoided in your response, save for some flimsy "evidence" (which wasn't evidence) of Cain misspeaking in a debate regarding Indonesia vs. Kenya.
"...They may as well get on TV and say 'fire doesn't melt steel...'".
Occam's razor can be applied to most of the birther arguments, whereas truthers depend on outlandish arguments to make their points. For instance, for 3 years, birthers have said "Obama won't produce a LFBC, therefore, the simplest explanation is that he probably doesn't have one..." However, it is guys like you that sound like Truthers when you say stuff like "Obama won't produce his LFBC because he's using it to make conservatives look bad!" Sure.
"...It is not a conspiracy theory to realize that 0bama is benefiting from this. He put out T-shirts and coffee mugs with his long form COLB..."
Lol. Any idiot can put anything on coffee mugs and T-shirts. This is your evidence that birtherism hurts conservatism? Coffee mugs and T-shirts?
"...Now I want you to think things through and have a destination in mind before you start your children's crusade..."
Nice try, sparky, but I'm not on a crusade here, or even an avid "birther." Just an interested observer of the debate on FR, and one who believes that those who have argued on behalf of the Constitution have made their case here, so much so that the only avenue left for people such as yourself is name-calling and sanity-questioning.
"...You had THREE YEARS to show that the short form COLB was fake, yet nobody important seems convinced...."
Is that why Obama trotted out a second suspect document, because everyone had soooo much faith in the COLB? What are you smoking? Aside from that, failure to produce consensus on an issue hardly means that the issue is resolved. I didn't know there was a time-limit on exposing Obama's hidden past. I guess no one got the memo except you.
"...Do you plan on doing anything different this time?"
Nope. I plan on mostly lurking at FR the next few years, like I did the first few, and chiming in occasionally. I find that the membership here will almost 100% of the time make the argument I'd be making on any given issue anyway.
"...Do you expect a different result after doing the same thing?"
Do I expect anything to happen to Obama? No. Too much aid and comfort provided by the media, and the populace is too dumbed down to understand the meaning of Article 2 Section 1. Many people don't understand advanced mathematics either, that hardly prevents those who do from digging into it.
You still haven't proven how birtherism hurts conservatism. Your Herman Cain/Donald Trump examples are flimsier than Obama's cyber documents. Show me solid, concrete proof that birtherism hurts conservatism. Since the correlation is so apparent to you, surely, there must be plenty of examples.
No problem! There was a massive conspiracy to scrub it from any and all records! The absence of evidence just shows how massive and all pervasive the conspiracy is!
Glad to know you don't actually expect anything different after not actually doing anything different.
It seems that many a birther is suffering under the delusion that they are accomplishing something other than making themselves and us look like conspiracy theorist tin foiled madmen.
As for not expecting anything different this time, I always prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
As for not doing anything differently, I didn't do anything after the first COLB came out, except to read this forum and stay informed on the matter as much as possible. And I've seen other posts here by other posters also saying they heard the exact same thing, but that the previous link is gone. You don't accept that. I don't care that you don't accept that.
Anyway, back to my main point; I'm still waiting for you to show me how birtherism is harming the GOP. Do you think investigating his SSN/Selective Service records also is the pursuit of "madmen" and harmful to conservatives? If Obama has engaged in criminal fraud, are you opposed to investigating any of it, or even discussing those issues?
Me? I have no dog in this hunt, other than cheering on the dozens and dozens of researchers here who have laid out his illegality over the last 3 years in brilliant fashion, whether "accepted" by the masses or not, and hoping for a near miracle that Obama would flee to Indonesia to seek asylum once the heat got too hot. It now appears that ousting him at the ballot box is the last option. I hope we make it to that point, as you seem to so faithfully think we will. Meanwhile, the little commie termites still have plenty of time to do as much harm as possible until election 2012, and you're worried about the birther issue? If it's as dead as most of your comrades think it is, why do you expend so much energy on these fewer and fewer threads on this topic?
I saw these idiots pounce on an obvious forgery and stick to the idea that it was real until just how much they were punked with a “Kenyan” birth certificate was patiently explained to them.
As such it seems their criteria for “real” and “fake” is “do I want to believe it or not?”.
Brilliant “researchers” them.
Your criteria for what is “evidence” is ludicrous.
And absence of evidence is easily explained away by a vast conspiracy to erase every recording of something you say you heard.
How involved are you in Illinois politics that you watched a debate between two candidates for their Senate seat?
But you remember it!
And your memory is “evidence”.
May as well go around saying “Fire doesn't melt steel”.
Now it is just that nobody saved it?
How swifly your vast conspiracy theory becomes a benign lack of saving the relevant info.
“Who says it was saved for 4 years, from 2004-2008, on a thousand cameras and a thousand recording devices?” smedley64
So it is a conspiracy one day, and based upon no evidence whatsoever just the shifting tides of argument - and now it is just that nobody saved it.
And you wonder why this issue makes people look like loons?
Or you don't even think that such behavior is loony?
There's nothing but insane conspiracy theories pointing to a birth in Kenya. On the other hand, we have the State of Hawaii confirming that they have his records on file, and that they released the long-form birth certificate that shows he was born in Hawaii. Short of inventing a time machine and going back to witness his birth, you're not going to find anything more convincing.
No President's birth has been better documented than Obama's. That's a fact.
Well....You are right, in a way. No President's birth has been better documented with** blazingly flagrant forgeries**!
That's a fact! :-)
( And this too is growing legs. )
Just because some attention seekers are spouting more flawed analyses doesn't mean this is "growing legs."
“as I say Zero’s birth certificates are fake”
That’s really funny. I see you keep ignoring the basic common sense issue of why no one’s ever seen his short form? Never verified. What’s wrong, can’t find the quote from an official who verified his short form that gets put all over the web by hack media? That’s right — you can’t. Crazy, conspiracy tales, yada yada, really really simple for you to give the quote. But more hot air right? It’s what you’re not saying. It’s stunk from day one.
My opinion has nothing to do with the fact Zero won’t even present his new alleged long form in court. That’s fact, jack. Lots of money’s been spent. Or do we need to discuss how Consitutional lawyers and top law firms are expensive and actually cost money? Y A W N
The Kenyan birth certificate obtained by Taitz from a retired deceased lawyer’s records? Of course it’s real, we have provenance of the date in February ‘64 with the divorce proceedings Jan-March ‘64. And just so happens page 11 is missing from the divorce papers. Which would have been the child’s birth certificate as required by HI law, like many states, to determine support/custody by judge.
What do we have that Zero has submitted in provenance?
Nothing.
You had several years to show the Kenyan form is real, yet it is obviously a fake, and funning you with document #47044 (47 years old 44th President).
Do you plan on doing anything different to “prove” that the long form is also fake?
Do you expect different results this time?
Conspiracy rules for kool-aid drinkers and mental midgets who believe anything a hack lamestream media tells them or plops in front of their face, like Zero’s short form COLB — never seen or vetted by any official.
No, you have former Hawaii Dept of Health Fukino a corrupt liberal whore who’s repeatedly lied and caught in conflicting statements. Yet...you believe? There’s a record in the birth registry — okay where’s he born? There’s a birth announcement in a paper — okay, where’s he born?
It’s same basic arguments that have to be pathetically asked again and again from day one for uneducated folk who base life on assumptions.
They didn’t release a long form birth certificate. Zero produced an electronic facsimile of a copy of an alleged BC abstract.
The document should look like this:
http://www.djbcontractors.com/wm/inv/ID/birth/19551003_Larry_Wolfe_Birth_Certificate.jpg
And the date filed number, naw we won’t discuss. The multiple layers without chromatic aberration, naw, and yet still no video evidence of how this could have occurred without being altered. His “long form b.c. here it is!” yet not good enough to show in court right? Why taxpayer dollars keep paying DOJ lawyers to defend office of Presidency.
Naw, ignore the conspiracy of common sense. You have no documentation of facts of Zero’s birth. None. You can’t say what hospital, doctor, where he was raised, nothing. Kenya wasn’t chosen by the King birther squad on a map. Zero’s admitted being born there, family members, government there, etc. and documents found in provenance.
What amazes me is the number of people who insist that Hawaii DOH is “in on it” - who also insist that the documents are “obvious fakes”.
For example, for those of you in Rio Linda......
You might be able to convince me that 0bama colluded with the Treasury to print unaccountable stacks of $100 bills to fund illegal activity. You would NEVER be able to convince me that the resulting $100 bills are “obvious counterfeits”.
Proof isn’t on us. Talk to your boy Barry for the past three years when he racked up lawyer fees and refused to establish res judicata in the very first case Berg v Obama.
Oh that’s right...Zero’s lawyers claimed “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation” in the Berg case.
Lightweight, did you get the quote from any official yet verifying Zero’s short form? How come you won’t post it? Bwwwaaahhhhahahaaha
There was nearly 90 court proceedings around the country and Zero would never show it. Lakin even went to jail. Common sense it’s a forgery.
Yes, and what’s the latest Hawaii Dept of Health b.s. line on there open records laws they keep violating? Utterly laughable. The script goes like this:
1.It was $10 to get it.
2. They don’t exist.
3. They do exist but we can’t copy them.
4. You can get them for $10.
5. You can’t get them at all now.
Any questions?
Naw, move along nothing to see here.
And when Zero does the teleprompter address to media/press corps on the grand expose of his “birth document”, stated:
“We posted the certificate that is given by the state of Hawaii on the Internet for everybody to see. People have provided affidavits that they in fact have seen this birth certificate…..”
Wow, 2 blatant lies — where’s the official who verified Zero’s online images? NONE. Affidavits???? LOL B>S> You mean 2 hacks from chi-town’s factcheck who saw the document? Never submitted, verified or affirmed by any HI official or any official.
What poor way to start a press conference, but when you’re lying fraud, it’s a normal day at White Hut.
Oh are we denying Obama Sr./Stanley Ann Dunham divorce papers with missing page 11?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18130289/Obama-1964-Divorce-Papers-13-Pages-Missing-Pg-11
Why isn’t there a birth certificate on record? Required by state law where child involved. Naw, let’s ignore the scrubbing. And just so happens certified copy of Kenyan birth dated February 17 1964. Must be just coincidence /sarcasm.
Seems the ruffies are being swallowed in excess to ignore blatant corruption, lies and fraud on the American populace.
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