[BladeBryan]

piytar queried: “You mean the BC that clearly identifies a non-citizen as his father, thereby proving obastard is not a “natural born” citizen?”

You’ve been had. “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — /Black’s Law Dictionary/, Sixth edition.

[piytar]

Black’s Law Dictionary was first published in 1861. That means it doesn’t inform what the term “Natural Born Citizen” meant when the Constitution was ratified.

The proper resource is Vittles Law of Nations. That was the authority on the meaning of legal terms at the relevant time, and it defines two requirements for “natural born”: born in the nation and born of citizens.

So YOU’VE been had. Or you are being deceitful. Dunno which...

[piytar]

Darkwing, check this guy “BladeBryan’s” posting history. He exists ONLY to quash challenges to obastard’s eligibility. Not making any comment on whether or not obastard is an NBC, and frankly think it CAN’T go anywhere at this stage, but does someone who only posts to defend obastard belong here?

Can I get me some kitties?

[Beckwith]

Black’s is a dictionary. It is not law.

[DiogenesLamp]

You’ve been had. “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — /Black’s Law Dictionary/, Sixth edition.

All that proves is that Black's law Dictionary is wrong. :) "Natural Born Citizen" is a term of art in the context of Article II, and it most certainly does NOT mean what you're Black's definition says, and that is easy to prove. Neither Indians nor Slaves gained any sort of citizenship by being "born within the jurisdiction of a national government."

Legal Jargon is fine, but when it conflicts with actual facts, it needs to be slapped down hard because it is misleading.

[rxsid]

piytar queried: “You mean the BC that clearly identifies a non-citizen as his father, thereby proving obastard is not a “natural born” citizen?”

You’ve been had. “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — /Black’s Law Dictionary/, Sixth edition.

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According to that definition and current "thinking" (read - bastardization of the original intent of the 14th), anchor babies and the baby of a temporary visitor to the country such as a vacationer...would be Commander in Chief eligible.

The framers didn't read Black's Law Dictionary Sixth edition (1990) during the penning of the federal Constitution. They did, however read and reference Vattel's work during that Grand Convention at Philadelphia in the summer of 1787.

Additionally, the great Chief Justice Marshall, Chief Justice Waite, the father of the 14th Amendment John Bingham and others would disagree with Black's Law Dictionary.

Speaking of Dictionary's...

1928 Baldwin Edition of Bouvier's Law Dictionary, courtesy of bp1.

From his preface:

…most of the matter in the English law dictionaries will be found to have been written while the feudal law was in its full vigor, and not fitted to the present times, nor calculated for present use, even in England. And there is a great portion which, though useful to an English lawyer, is almost useless to the American student. What, for example, have we to do with those laws of Great Britain which relate to the person of their king, their nobility, their clergy, their navy, their army; with their game laws; their local statutes, such as regulate their banks, their canals, their exchequer, their marriages, their births, their burials, their beer and ale houses, and a variety of similar subjects?[1]