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Good first AR15? (Vanity)
6/26/11 | Self

Posted on 06/26/2011 4:49:51 PM PDT by verum ago

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To: JohnD9207

I’ve got a couple of AR’s, a few Garands, an SKS, several .22s, and have sold several FALs and L1A1s. Looking for an AK-74 now.


61 posted on 06/26/2011 7:58:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Do you mean AK47? While I am not a huge fan of the 7.62 x 39 round a good AK is hard to beat. Be warned that there are as many shoddy AK’s as there are so-so AR’s. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


62 posted on 06/26/2011 8:04:30 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I can’t think of any instance where more than that kind of accuracy will be needed. I don’t need to be a sniper.


63 posted on 06/26/2011 8:14:43 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: MHGinTN

It be coming friend but I don’t get people who say they are prepping and the crud they buy, then say “all done”.

Others think they can run to the grocery store “real quick”.

I give then some real examples of what happens:

Rodney King
Katrina
Japan

They just shrug it off.


64 posted on 06/26/2011 8:28:30 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Daffynition

“I’ve noted and noticed that people are starting to do things and act strangely...”

You’re not alone, Daffy. Mrs. panax and I were talking about this very thing this afternoon. Everybody seems short-tempered, greedy, nervous and quick to launch insults.

IMO, I think most folks are scared of what the future is offering. We have no leadership and no confidence in our government whatsoever. Our GOP reps have all morphed into RINO’s and we have no qualified candidate to oust the zer0 in 2012.

Current events like the pharmacy killings, the rapidly increasing & violent flash-mobs, increased home invasions and daring daytime burglaries/robberies have forced us to carry everywhere we go.

It’s not being paranoid, it’s being smart and refusing to be a victim.


65 posted on 06/26/2011 8:30:07 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: rickomatic
"First,goto AR15.com and learn more than you ever wanted to know about AR’s. Then seriously consider building your own. It is not that hard. And, it’s a good way to get a very affordable one that you have a real stake in. I got a lot of my parts fron delton.com. They are good people."

I highly agree with this.

I built an AR based on the info on ar15.com, saved at least a couple hundred dollars & I know my rifle.

My AR started with a Rock River LAR-15 stripped lower and finished it off with a M&A Parts kit - A4 flat-top w/flip-up rear sight, in a M-4 configuration. Chrome lined barrel, chambered in 5.56.

Building your own gets you what you want, whether it's fully dressed or just the base to start with.

I had never built a firearm before, only had to buy a couple tools in order to do it. Only took an hour or so to put it all together.

66 posted on 06/26/2011 8:32:45 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: verum ago

Thank you!


67 posted on 06/26/2011 8:35:38 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: panaxanax
Plain folk don't pay much attention to politics....I doubt if 2 out of 10 people would know who our governor is.

But everyone knows someone who is about to lose their home, job, family...it's a strange atmosphere, edgy I suppose. It's not safe. Plan ahead. Be safe. Be alert. ;D


68 posted on 06/26/2011 8:47:40 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: ebshumidors

I didn’t come close to anything like a rifleman but I enjoyed the weekend. I learned so much about shooting and my adopted country. I plan to go to another Appleseed and work toward my Rifleman patch. It’s a great way to spend the weekend with your family. There were several young children at our event and a few new Marines.


69 posted on 06/26/2011 8:54:55 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: panaxanax
"Everybody seems short-tempered, greedy, nervous and quick to launch insults."

And that's just on FR!

70 posted on 06/26/2011 9:28:49 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Union, WV, Union Outfitters. For Under $700 you can have the Bulgarian, with all the bells and whistles like scope mount and scope, bayonet, extra mags (comes with two 30 rounders, IIRC), ammo. The rifle with two mags is $519 before atxes and backgrounder.


71 posted on 06/26/2011 9:29:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: verum ago

Boy you opened up a can a worms!

For your first AR, go down to the gun store and buy an M4 style carbine with a collapseable stock and removeable carryhandle so you can later put on a reddot or scope.

Barrel should be chrome lined, with a 5.56 chamber and a standard flash suppressor.

Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, S&W, Stagg, Colt, are generally available in most gun stores and super sporting goods stores. You really can’t go wrong with any of those, and they’ll have warrantys if you do.

You’ll end up with a civilian variant of rifle that most of our armed forces use, which means parts, ammo, and magazines will be available and easy to find for decades to come.

Magazines. I’ll just say Magpul PMAG. Get the Pmags. Doesn’t matter if you get the ones with the window or spend a couple bucks less and get the windowless. They work, and they are inexpensive.

Let us know what you do?


72 posted on 06/26/2011 10:19:34 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41; All
Let us know what you do?

Will do. Thanks for all the opinions folks.

I actually decided against starting a thread at arfcom because while starting one here is opening a can of worms, starting one there sometimes seems to be opening a can of worms and tossing a lit M80 in.
73 posted on 06/26/2011 11:10:08 PM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: verum ago
Depends what your requirements are. In happier times I wanted a milspec AR but didn't want to pay milspec prices so I rolled my own from Olympic Arms parts. I guaged and fitted it to milspec tolerances myself in my garage. You can do it all with less than $100 worth of tools and Walt Kulek's indispensable shop guide. It shoots inside of my friends Bushmaster and (once properly finished and adjusted) never jams (and I've fed it mostly that dreaded green-cased Wolf ammo). My total outlay (sans sights) was around $850, countng the tools. Of course, I spent over three times that on the sights and ACOG, etc.

But if you want a SHTF gun forget what I said and get an M1A.

74 posted on 06/27/2011 6:10:27 AM PDT by jboot
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To: MHGinTN
Home defense planning seems to be on the rise, finally.

Yup. Even folks who previously had an issue with "having a gun in the house" are coming around. A lot of new folks are concealed carrying, legally or not.

I hope that it will not get worse, but I am planning for it to get much worse. I no longer worry much about thugs invading my community (I've moved to a VERY rural area) but my escape from work (in Baltimore, shudder) could get very exciting if the SHTF. From my office I can watch gangs of idle thugs hang out right across the street. I've already identified a back way out that avoids intersections and built up areas, but there is no normal way to get off the lot without driving right into a potential urban war zone. Basically, if the balloon ever goes up I am going cross-country into an adjacent lot and bug the heck out before anyone knows what is going on. Assuming I'm not trapped in our "secure" building.

75 posted on 06/27/2011 6:27:33 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Radio_Silence

Just so you know, a lot of those “hobbyist guns” are made by LMT using the same billets as the others. CNC machining ended a lot of the differences in rollmarks. I have an Olympic...upper and lower match up better than a Rock River, and LMT did the work. Finishes are where a lot of differences can occur.


76 posted on 06/27/2011 9:12:05 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Bushmaster is the #1 manufacturer of ARs for civilian use...

With Bushmaster, Remington, DPMS and God knows who all else now falling under the aegis of Cerebus, I think some of the suppliers are the same. I've got an upper built by J&T Distributing. It's Cerro forge marked, as are many of the RR and Remington ARs I've seen.

77 posted on 06/27/2011 9:17:50 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: verum ago

Whatever you decide, get a couple of extra sets of springs, and maybe rollpins.


78 posted on 06/27/2011 9:20:49 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

For pins and springs, even the sub-80% forging, I’d agree.
However, Bushy and Remington make/assembles their own uppers, because that is where all the work is done and that’s where the quality or lack thereof becomes apparent.

Interesting to see that Remington has taken the former Masada/MagPul ACR and made it their own. Given Remington’s work with the M24 weapons system, it might show quite favorably as a tactical rifle than it would under the Bushy lineup.


79 posted on 06/27/2011 11:01:36 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: gundog; verum ago

Maybe even a spare bolt.
I needed mine once, and it was very handy.
You can get a complete packaged set of “pins and springs” from almost any of the manufacturers, including Bushmaster.


80 posted on 06/27/2011 11:04:20 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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