Posted on 06/28/2011 6:07:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
That's what's really good about this thread. I mean the way people just turn on you in a heartbeat. ;-)
I was laughing at how ignorant his critics are about him.
Thanks for riding your white charger to the rescue, though. :-)
A simple reason ~ you didn’t follow the route of the Santa Fe Trail ~ it’s located along the rivers ~ this is above the flood path (if there ever is one) just like surveyors might have placed a stone marker.
Here's the only way to think about some mysterious rock in the middle of no where with misspelled Hebraic inscriptions ~
(1) That you are in Israel, Jordan or Syria., or (2) Why is there only one of these things around?
Every now and then somebody finds something stored in the Prado in Madrid. I'd look there ~ this was a piece of Spain for 300 years!
If you mean have I hiked the entire Santa Fe Trail, no I haven’t but I have been on many different parts of the trail. Also I have visited many fabulous Indian sites, both inhabited and abandoned in NM. I have never even seen a sign or marker or indication on a NM map about this stone.
My next trip to NM I am going to look this up!
If it's a boundary marker of some sort it's in the right place, and it's certainly unique (a necessity in later years when there is a need to find the various baselines).
If it's something a Mormon carved, then why did he stop with one? And, where are the other Spanish boundary and survey markers in the region? What do they look like?
I did a little googling and several sources confirm that the stone has been cleaned, so no chance of examining a patina. It's so heavy it can't be moved to a museum.
Give you an example, Indiana 67 is also Pendleton Pike and Massachusetts Avenue and it almost turned into Interstate 69.
Maria Hilferstrasse used to be something like City Wall and then RIng Road.
Philippe II died ~ and a bunch of his relatives died ~ and there was a period of peace where European adventurers and investors could DO STUFF in America.
Philippe III forced a settlement on all the other serious European colonial powers in 1604, but the outlines were known since before the first Spanish armada sailed against England.
The Western leg of the Spanish baseline across the continent on the Southern Route (now US 50) may have been initiated from Santa Fe ~ and somebody asked last night why there would be educated people in that desolate wilderness. I guess 'cause they were probably assigned duty at Santa Fe!
Sorry i didn't look up Santa Fe last night but I was looking at Las Lunas.
I looked at a map too and I have been down that highway but not in the last few years. Maybe there is a marker on the highway now to tell you where it is located.
I tried to find this script in Gloria Farley’s book In Plain Sight: Olde World Records in Ancient America. I looked especially in the back where a number of ancient scripts, particularly from Dr. Barry Fell are shown. The most similarity was to Iberian alphabets, but even there, only a few elements were the same. There was no similarity to Aramaic or Phoenician script. Nor was there to north African scripts, Celtic or Rune scripts. A repeated element on the stone was a V lying on its side with a slash running across it. I did not see that anywhere.
“Interesting” is one way to put it. :’)
Before I posted the topic, I’d gotten a FReepmail from one of the pro-Mormon zealots from my anti-Christian cadre dedicated to the election of Mitt Romney and revival of The Dry Look from Gillette (that’s a series of jokes in there, everyone, so don’t write in, okay? But it’s a fact that the wet head is dead, learn to live with it) with some photo links to the stone, one of which lead to this thorough discussion of it:
The Los Lunas Decalogue Stone
Maintained and written by J. Huston McCulloch
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html
Barry Fell, et al, were always looking for alphabetic systems imagining that it'd have to be Mediterranean people who managed to get to the Americas by boat.
On the other hand, there was an ideographic/pictographic system in North America that was exceedingly widespread and almost totally ignored. It's called North American Indian Sign Language. Many of the ideographs you form (using your body ~ arms ~ face ~ legs ~ hands) are remarkably similar to old Shan Dynasty ideographs.
I think that gives a date to that system and its underlying linguistic components.
I took my Sign Language book with me to an exhibit at the Smithsonian some time back of a number of Shan "documents". Before the internet it was difficult to get access to these things but I guessed i'd want to have my book with me to see if, perhaps, there were characters in common.
Yup, there were characters in common. I stood there with a group of Chinese who'd come to the museum to see these ancient heritage pieces and read to them what was on the pieces on display ~ using my book. They all wanted to get that book!
I have two theories about this ~ that at some time in the past 7 millenia Shan users/writers came to America or that both fundamental systems are based on "natural structures and processes" and those are the same wherever you go.
Problem with that latter theory is you'd need to explain why that never occurred to anyone else.
BTW, when the Shan civilization/dynasty fell and people fled, they may have made it to America. More recently they've found all sorts of Austronesians, Polynesians, and Europeans who made it to America THOUSANDS of years ago, or as recently as the 1100s, 1200s, 1300s, etc.
They simply didn't go home, nor did they leave many records. After all, what were they going to say? "Hey, mom, I'm lost, send daddy" perhaps.
Except for the cocaine salesmen who seem to have traveled from the Americas to visit ancient Egypt, there's very little to even indicate Mediterranean civilization was interested in going to places with inferior weather.
More info and commentary on the stone:
http://www.badarchaeology.net/forgotten/los_lunas.php
http://www.badarchaeology.net/forgotten/mormonism.php
Nice. Thanks.
Thanks. Very interesting.
You’re a good guy. ;-)
“They did not leave many records.” If that is what you think, then you really need to see Gloria Farley’s book.
Anything short of a million pages is simply not a 'record" worth worrying about.
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