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Ancient stones a mystery for archeologists, scientists [ Los Lunas Decalogue ]
Your Houston News ^ | Monday, June 27, 2011 | op-ed

Posted on 06/28/2011 6:07:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

...if they had the means to explore various parts of Europe and Asia by boat, then they certainly had the means to cross the seas to the Americas.

One such item of interest is a large stone that was found in a dry creek bed in New Mexico. This stone discovered by early explorers contains the entire Ten Commandments written in Ancient Hebrew script. Today, this large stone still lies where it was originally found in the early 1800's on the side of Hidden Mountain near Los Lunas, New Mexico, about thirty-five miles south of Albuquerque.

Scholars who have studied the stone say it pre-dates the arrival of Columbus to America.

How did this large stone with the Ten Commandments written in Ancient Hebrew come to be in North America? No one has an answer.

Another item that shows strong evidence of the possibility of Hebrews in America is noted in a custom celebrated by the Yuchi Indians in Oklahoma.

The Yuchis originally migrated from the Bahamas to Florida and Georgia and then later to the Oklahoma territory.

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1 posted on 06/28/2011 6:07:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/28/2011 6:08:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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3 posted on 06/28/2011 6:10:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Doesn’t really look old to me. The writing is still white after more than 600 years? Not likely.


4 posted on 06/28/2011 6:11:29 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SunkenCiv

interesting.


5 posted on 06/28/2011 6:15:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Scholars who have studied the stone say it pre-dates the arrival of Columbus to America”

How so?

I can see some happy go lucky, educated, educated Spanish explorer types tired of all the Catholicism deciding to leave a prank to confound the church which was the main settlement influence of the area in the time before the 1800’s.


6 posted on 06/28/2011 6:16:52 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: SunkenCiv

Meant to include that the pranksters were Jewish.


7 posted on 06/28/2011 6:18:06 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

If they find one on Mars, that would be real news.


8 posted on 06/28/2011 6:18:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv

There is no patina. The lettering is white with no wear. The whole article makes me want to say “eye roll”. I did a search and cannot find conformation on this find (doesn’t mean its not there just couldn’t find it).


9 posted on 06/28/2011 6:22:10 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Rebelbase
Meant to include that the pranksters were Jewish.

I would suspect the Mormons in anything involving Hebrew script and the south west United States.

10 posted on 06/28/2011 6:22:10 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, I see. I checked most of your links and they refer back to mormon sites. Well that makes sense then that you posted this.
Should have checked the links first.


11 posted on 06/28/2011 6:25:35 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: SunkenCiv

Paging Art Bell...


12 posted on 06/28/2011 6:33:46 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: SunkenCiv

I wouldn’t buy this at wholesale.


13 posted on 06/28/2011 6:36:55 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv
A claim as fantastic as pre-Columbian Hebrews carving the Decalogue in New Mexico needs evidence stronger than that provided by this article. According to one article it was first found in 1936 any date referring to the stone before 1936 was stated to be unconfirmed. Those familiar with Mormon history would be aware that they studied Hebrew.
14 posted on 06/28/2011 6:37:22 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Early 1800s?”

This smells of Sidney Rigdon, Mormon extraordinaire. He was trained in Hebrew.


15 posted on 06/28/2011 6:37:37 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: MAexile

The work of Sidney Rigdon, Mormon.


16 posted on 06/28/2011 6:38:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: MAexile

The work of Sidney Rigdon, Mormon.


17 posted on 06/28/2011 6:39:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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My first thought is: I hope this stone is protected from graffiti.


18 posted on 06/28/2011 6:50:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A fraud.


19 posted on 06/28/2011 6:52:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping for later


20 posted on 06/28/2011 7:00:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: GeronL

Its carved using Word.


21 posted on 06/28/2011 7:13:48 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Rebelbase

There is actually significant evidence to support the theory that ‘The Lost Tribe of Israel’ were native Indians in the Americas. A rather intriguing and thought provoking theory it is.


22 posted on 06/28/2011 7:24:43 PM PDT by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Really,Mick and Kieth should be fossilized by now.
23 posted on 06/28/2011 7:26:35 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Sans Sarah Bachmann's The One.")
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

It was first recorded in 1880.


24 posted on 06/28/2011 7:26:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Brilliant; svcw

There’s a short but very good discussion at the Wikipedia link.

Wikipedia isn’t a Mormon site, and I’m not sure wth svcw was getting at with that nasty remark.

The stone can’t be dated by patination, because it’s been cleaned a number of times since 1880. The text must have been traced in white sometime after the 1960s, because the photo of the stone I remember from back then didn’t show this.


25 posted on 06/28/2011 7:30:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: GeronL; muir_redwoods

Thanks.


26 posted on 06/28/2011 7:32:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: RobertClark

Not so. The only “evidence” comes from lds sources. There have been dozens of DNA studies to determine immigration patterns and there is no evidence to support your statement.


27 posted on 06/28/2011 7:34:13 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, so sorry. At least you could have said you were lds, most all the links you proved are links to lds articles. When you do a search for additional information on what you posted today you find two major lines of thought one from lds sources that have a vested interest in it being true and one from archaeologist that say this is a bogus find. Just saying.


28 posted on 06/28/2011 7:40:11 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Rebelbase; SunkenCiv
Las Lunas ~ regarding bored Spanish "explorers" ~ how about bored Spanish surveyors, or what about American "historic marker" groups.

Las Lunas is ON the Santa Fe Trail. Last reference I made to that was in the context of Arrow Rock Missouri where we find the intersection of what appears to be a surveyed Spanish baseline extending from Washington DC to Arrow Rock (prior to the subdivision of the continent among several contending European states ~ UK, France, Spain ~ circa 1604) and a Meridian that extends all the way into Canada up to about 54 degrees north (the boundary agreed to in the West between Russia and Spain) (At Kensington Stone it changes from geographic North to Magnetic North neatly avoiding overlapping Spanish and French claims).

The Santa Fe Trail begins right there at Daniel Boone's land grant.

The American history along that trail begins in 1821 and by about 1900 folks were commemorating it by placing marker stones of some kind along its course. The Trail mostly followed the courses of the few rivers in the region due to the absence of water anywhere else.

Given that Santa Fe had been thought of as a Spanish/Mexican border town prior to the Mexican Cession, there's really no reason for the Santa Fe Trail to have not existed until that time. It's probably a lot older than we imagine. I suspect it could have been the route followed by the Spanish Surveyors in the 1600s as they sought to get a grasp of where the land north of Mexico really lie.

There's no way they could have done straight line surveying in that region ~ just too many mountains and too desolate ~ but the rivers are permanent features and probably showed up on Spanish maps in the 1600s. They could have laid down markers of some kind ~ I'd look for the letters AVM somewhere on that stone to see if it was authentic (circa 1600s) or later (circa 1900s).

29 posted on 06/28/2011 7:41:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. Do you know the circumstances?


30 posted on 06/28/2011 7:48:13 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: svcw; SunkenCiv
It's a very dry region. Obviously we need an intervening Ice Age to get enough moisture into that region to create wear on the stone.

Still, my suspicion is that it was done during a flurry of stone marking about 1900 (well documented BTW) or earlier by a Spanish surveyor.

So, why would the Spanish surveyor write in Hebrew? Well, maybe he was a Hebrew. He wasn't in Spain. By 1600s open persecution of the Jews in Spain had slacked off, and there were tens of thousands of Moranos whose families kept up the knowledge of Hebrew IN SECRET.

Out there in the middle of nowhere in a small group there were NO SECRETS.

if you look through the pictures of American Indian pictoglyphs and shamen's symbols found in that same region you'll notice the same lack of wear.

BTW, we know of a fellow who was a chuck wagon cook back in the good old days (early 1900s) who wandered all over the Southwest with his uncle and brother ~ chasing cows, etc.

He wrote Japanese characters all over the place ~ kind of like 'Hiro Was Here" ~ in 1942 or thereabouts these characters were discovered, gathered up, and shipped to Army intelligence for evaluation since the finders feared Japanese invasion from Mexico. They ended up at Fort Snelling where his new son inlaw recognized the work!

Archaeologists have also discovered Japanese characters carved into rocks in the Southwest near Zuni territory. They are much older!

31 posted on 06/28/2011 7:52:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: svcw
It's called the LAS LUNAS ROCK. You are not searching for Albuquerque stuff ~ this is LAS LUNAS territory.
32 posted on 06/28/2011 7:54:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MAexile; Rebelbase

BTW, this is also in the vicinity of CLOVIS NM. There are always qualified archaeologists wandering about the territory. It’s one of their favorites ~


33 posted on 06/28/2011 7:56:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MAexile
I would suspect the Mormons in anything involving Hebrew script and the south west United States.

The mormon FARMS institute rejects this as evidence as well.

34 posted on 06/28/2011 8:12:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: MAexile
I would suspect the Mormons in anything involving Hebrew script and the south west United States.

The mormon FARMS institute rejects this as evidence as well.

35 posted on 06/28/2011 8:12:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: MAexile
I would suspect the Mormons in anything involving Hebrew script and the south west United States.

The mormon FARMS institute rejects this as evidence as well.

36 posted on 06/28/2011 8:12:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: MAexile
I would suspect the Mormons in anything involving Hebrew script and the south west United States.

The mormon FARMS institute rejects this as evidence as well.

37 posted on 06/28/2011 8:12:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: svcw

I agree - not even a trace of desert patina. My 12 year old could spot this as a fake. Also the lettering is very straight, which is not indicative of ancient markings, unrelated to a tomb.


38 posted on 06/28/2011 8:16:43 PM PDT by RC51
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To: muawiyah
What references do you have to follow up this fascinating topic?
As a retired surveyor, among other things, I would love to dig further.
Thanks.
39 posted on 06/28/2011 8:28:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmark for later.


40 posted on 06/28/2011 8:29:30 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: SunkenCiv

1st off it’s a load of crap.

2nd I cannot locate the name of the author.

3rd probably written by a Mormon to support their claims.

Doesn’t pass the smell test.


41 posted on 06/28/2011 8:34:34 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: SunkenCiv
So I note with some disdain the characters on the rock.
 
There are 3's, 4's, 9's, X, T, backwards K, L, and on and on.
 
None of which are part of the Hebrew alphabet.
 
 
 
 

42 posted on 06/28/2011 8:43:05 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: MHGinTN

Another Rock fake with phony Hebrew alphabet.


43 posted on 06/28/2011 8:44:10 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: SunkenCiv

If genuine, the inscription predates Columbus by a long shot: by between 2 and 3 thousand years. The script appears to be Middle Semitic, in use between 1500 BC and 500 BC. I can’t make out much of it but the Hebrew letter Aleph (equivalent to “A”), which appears numerous times on the inscription, is distinctive to Middle Semitic.

The inscription apparently has been cleaned, with the letters filled in with white pigment. I have no idea how an inscription dated to this historical period would fit in with the Morman “history” of the New World (which in any case I do not accept as valid).

For the inscription to be a fraud would require someone with in-depth knowledge of the Ancient Near East and early Hebrew language, who was present in the American Southwest in the late 19th century. But what would such an obviously educated individual esp. for their time be doing creating inscriptions in such remote localities?

On the other hand, if valid, this is an astounding discovery, and opens up intriguing possibilities regarding Semitic/Hebrew peoples journeying to and possibly settling in North America.

Full disclosure: I studied classical (and some modern) Hebrew for years in college and graduate school under a professor who was also a rabbi, but unfortunately it has mostly lapsed due to disuse.


44 posted on 06/28/2011 8:44:56 PM PDT by tjd1454
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THAT IS NOT HEBREW TEXT!!!!

45 posted on 06/28/2011 8:45:49 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: svcw

See my post below.

I knew it was fake the second I saw the “lettering”.


46 posted on 06/28/2011 8:48:03 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: RobertClark; Rebelbase

ROTFLMAO!

Sure there is.


47 posted on 06/28/2011 8:50:06 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

The chart you posted is of Modern Semitic Hebrew script. It is the script familiar to modern readers of the Hebrew (Masoretic) Text. The MT was developed and used roughly between 500 AD and 1300 AD. However, the inscription appears to be written in Middle Semitic or Aramaic text, which is much older, dating from between 500 BC to 1500 BC., and as such is the script in which the original books of the Hebrew Bible are written.


48 posted on 06/28/2011 8:54:03 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: muawiyah; svcw

The Mormons started Migrating to California in 1848 and it’s conceivable one might have stopped to carve this on the rock.

Problem is, it ain’t Hebrew or even some forgotten language.


49 posted on 06/28/2011 8:55:07 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


50 posted on 06/28/2011 8:56:40 PM PDT by tjd1454
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