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Why doesn’t John Adams have a memorial?
Washington Post ^ | 07/02/2011 | Akexander Hefner

Posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Artemis Webb

I think every American in their heart believes what you have written. It was a miracle.


41 posted on 07/02/2011 8:08:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Honestly, I would consider the HBO miniseries one hell of a memorial

Heck yeah! Schools should be showing that instead of "An Inconvenient Truth", but I guess that will never happen...

42 posted on 07/02/2011 8:19:35 PM PDT by America_Right (The best thing about the Obama Presidency: McCain isn't the President!)
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To: gorush

His principles were wonderful. As you say; visionary.

I love his quotes.

How about this one:

“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”

or this one:

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

Or one just for this weekend, that he wrote on the 2nd, the very day the declaration was brought forth:

...”The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. —

I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.

You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. — I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. — Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.”


43 posted on 07/02/2011 8:20:59 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: muawiyah

Plus I remember the musical, “1776” amd the John Adams charactor did so much singing some very wonderful musical sections.


44 posted on 07/02/2011 8:26:30 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: gorush

What revolution, save the American revolution, ended up being for the better? I can’t think of any.


45 posted on 07/02/2011 8:30:39 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The WaPost thnks up another thing to spend money on


46 posted on 07/02/2011 8:31:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

From the Broadway musical “1776”, “Is Anybody There”, Brett Spinner as John Adams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmb9Funbz0


47 posted on 07/02/2011 8:32:44 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: youngidiot

none. and that is a good point. ours was a conservative revolution, intended to preserve the ancient rights of englishmen.


48 posted on 07/02/2011 8:34:57 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adams doesn’t have a memorial because he was not personally likeable. He was instrumental in the founding but nobody was going to bat for him with his caustic personality. I think if he was a likeable chum, he would also have a memorial, but he was just not the kind people warmed up to.

The Alien and Sedition acts seem to reveal his vindictive nature. He didn’t listen to his advisors. He didn’t keep a civil tongue. He could be abrasive.

That’s my take on it, but of course I could be completely wrong.


49 posted on 07/02/2011 8:42:45 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: gorush

I beg to differ. Hamilton never saw a government institution he didn’t like. Hamilton WAS big government, far more than Adams was. Far more.


50 posted on 07/02/2011 8:44:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: gorush

But have you read his letters to his wife?


51 posted on 07/02/2011 8:44:15 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SeekAndFind

Because he was obnoxious and disliked.


52 posted on 07/02/2011 8:46:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: donmeaker

Have you been to Mr. Rushmore. I’ve been there and if I recall correctly reading the background material from the architect, Gutzon Borglum, the real reason he chose Roosevelt was for the challenge of making his glasses. I kid you not. At least that is what the literature at Mt. Rushmore stated, again, if I remember correctly.

What he said the 4 presidents represent are:

Washington created the nation (the Father of our Country)
Jefferson expanded the nation (Louisiana Purchase & Lewis & Clark)
Lincoln preserved the nation
Teddy Roosevelt conserved the nation (established the National Park system)

But the reason I recall reading for putting Roosevelt on Mt. Rushmore was for the challenge of carving his glasses. Call this “urban legend” if nobody else confirms it.

That said, Madison should have been there instead of Roosevelt, the Father of our Constitution. But then, Teddy has a much more manly face, so there you have it.


53 posted on 07/02/2011 8:53:43 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I would consider the HBO miniseries one hell of a memorial

I would consider his biography by David McCullough to be one hell of a tribute.

54 posted on 07/02/2011 9:01:17 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Artemis Webb

“It is a little off the topic but I have never believed, and will never believe, that Jefferson and Adams both dying on the 50th anniversary of The Declaration was anything but the hand of God.”

Hmmm...never thought of this before. You might be onto something.


55 posted on 07/02/2011 9:03:21 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: muawiyah

Napoleon eventually disliked the French Constitution he wrote, the “Code Napoleon”. He said it was too rigid and not adaptable enough. In time, he came to really appreciate the US constitution and thought it was superior to what he wrote.

He briefly flirted with the idea of escaping from Elba to America. He had a huge number of supporters urging him to do so. It would have prolonged his life and I have no doubt he would have been very politically active in the USA. I’ll always wonder if he would have run for Senate or become a state Governor. He was a brilliant politician and brilliant at the functions of government, and I can only wonder what he would have accomplished as an American citizen.

The thing is, he liked America, but he loved France. He and France were one and the same. Emotionally, he had no choice but to return to France.


56 posted on 07/02/2011 9:09:06 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: muawiyah

I figure you go back far enough I am descended from Charlemagne. After all there were only about 200 million people back then, he has a lot of descendants.


57 posted on 07/02/2011 9:11:57 PM PDT by donmeaker (I)
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To: Pharmboy

Ping


58 posted on 07/02/2011 10:14:33 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: SeekAndFind

John Adams defeated and then was defeated by Democrat Thomas Jefferson. His son defeated and then was defeated by Andrew Jackson. This earned them the eternal emnity of Democrats.


59 posted on 07/02/2011 11:03:16 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh, we don’t build memorials to lawyers.

See Shakespeare.


60 posted on 07/02/2011 11:36:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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