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I’m all for the no babies in First or Business Class, but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

No chance, I've been to some of the best restaurants in New York City, and have seen countless parents bring their kids in, and watch it turn into chaos and mayhem.

Keep in mind, the food or cuisine at these places is not remotely kid friendly, so the parents are absolute idiots for bringing them in the first place, since the kids don't want anything on the menu, and the kitchen isn't going to make anything special for them. Bizarrely, this doesn't stop parents from bringing the kids anyway.

Worse yet, in New York, where it is illegal to have minors in a bar, some parents will still try and bring their kids and will fight over this with the establishment, its lunacy. I think the problem today is, parents who think the world revolves around their children and that everyone should roll out the red carpet for their kids, no matter the place or establishment.

Keep in mind, I am not anti-child, if I go to a restaurant and there is a kids menu, that to me, means its a appropriate for children to be there, as its a family establishment, but these are parents who are bringing their kids to places where there is nothing on the menu that the little tykes would want.

It’s funny you say that. I live in NYC and eat in restaurants and rarely see kids. Maybe during the tourist or Christmas season but almost never the rest of the year. Maybe we go to completely different types of restaurants?

Keep in mind, I am not anti-child, if I go to a restaurant and there is a kids menu, that to me, means its a appropriate for children to be there, as its a family establishment, but these are parents who are bringing their kids to places where there is nothing on the menu that the little tykes would want.

COMMON SENSE AT LAST!

AFAIC, if these "parents" have to drag their little darlings to the 'adults' eatery, it means they really can't afford to be there...otherwise they would spend some money on a sitter.

Often enough, instead of taking them to the 'family' restaurant, where they would have to PAY for a kid's meal, I've seen them try to get an 'extra plate' and give them some of this or that off thier plates, and chisle by feeding the kid without paying extra. I'm probably not too far wrong in assuming that they don't tip accordingly, either...if at all.

One I knew had a "policy" of either no tip for "okay service"; or a flat $1, depending on whether she 'got good service', with no regard to price or quality; nor how many 'extra' demands she made, etc.