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For NCAA to survive, it can't give Miami death penalty
CBS Sports ^ | 08.17.11 | By Gregg Doyel

Posted on 08/18/2011 5:47:05 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Renderofveils

Doesn’t work like that.

The money for the scholarships comes from the income generated by the marquee sports. If you create a minor league, you pull the talent out of the NCAA football and basketball, so they quite being profitable... and stop financing scholarships to other sports like swimming and track-and-field.

Think about it: can you name me an NCAA baseball rivalry?

And it’s worse than that: Title IX requires as many athletic team slots go to women as go to men. And football is a 40-man roster (I’m not positive about the size in NCAA, actually.) So if a more normal sport has an ten-person roster, than one football program means having four women-only programs. (Again, I’m not sure about the numbers, but you get the idea.) So NCAA football means that you field one very expensive, but profitable team, but have to pay for four money-losing teams. Take the profit away, and football teams will be shutting down right and left. There are already three times more Division I basketball teams than football teams, simply because the basketball teams don’t create these problems.

NCAA football with minor league pro football would look like High School football in the northeast: smaller teams, with guys playing offensive and defensive positions, and geographically compact leagues, with rosters like, “Miami, Florida State, Central Florida, Southern Florida, Florida International, Florida Atlantic and Florida Gulf Coast.” Or “Alabama, Alabama State, West Florida, Auburn, UAB, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU and Tulane.” You know, so the teams could take a bus out, play the game, and take a bus back before bedtime.

And forget about Boston College, Syracuse, etc., having football teams. The “Big East” would be Maryland, Penn State, Temple, Rutgers, Army, Navy, and God, I don’t know, Delaware? Forget about Big Sky country. I can’t see Iowa State driving to Colorado for a game. Or Boise State driving anywhere.


21 posted on 08/18/2011 7:38:29 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Renderofveils

And yes, I know there was a day before jetliners when Iowa State would play Colorado, but they also didn’t have to fund four girls’ teams, so they could afford the hotel.


22 posted on 08/18/2011 7:39:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Renderofveils
The NCAA needs the NFL and NBA to have minor leagues.

And being someone who had a mini-plan to the Brooklyn Cyclones in the short-season A division, I would even take an interest in that, and I don't go to many sports events. (Yes, price is a big factor in that.)

23 posted on 08/18/2011 7:39:58 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Renderofveils

Also, I’m probably in the small minority, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the notion of sports scholarships go extinct. I actually agree with the notion that college sports should be participatory events, not spectator events. (Sadly, the most prominent person I’ve read make that argument in the last twenty years was a particular “Colenol” running a crackpot Muslim dictatorship in North Africa.)


24 posted on 08/18/2011 7:43:47 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Renderofveils

Also, I’m probably in the small minority, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the notion of sports scholarships go extinct. I actually agree with the notion that college sports should be participatory events, not spectator events. (Sadly, the most prominent person I’ve read make that argument in the last twenty years was a particular “Colenol” running a crackpot Muslim dictatorship in North Africa.)


25 posted on 08/18/2011 7:43:47 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Perdogg

If the NCAA can’t survive is they cut out a cancer, maybe they shouldn’t or can’t survive anyway.


26 posted on 08/18/2011 7:59:04 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Perdogg

Free bread and the circus. People might actually think if there were no circus (sports). And if they think, ooohhhh, bad news for the Democrats.


27 posted on 08/18/2011 8:27:42 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Perdogg

The NCAA is very heavy handed when handing out penalties to non BCS schools. They will snatch scholarships from non BCS schools in a heartbeat for minor infractions, while the Ohio States and North Carolinas of the world get a slap on the wrist. Miami has nothing to worry about. They belong to the Good Ole’ Boys Club that is the BCS, that is their get out of jail free card. BCS=Big Crock of Shiite.


28 posted on 08/18/2011 8:35:08 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: ken5050
Considering that FSU tries to recruit just about every player that ended up at Miami, one has to wonder how clean is FSU?

As a Gator, I will say there is no comparison between FSU and Miami. FSU gets 80,000+ every home on their On-Campus football stadium, their facilities are top-notch. Miami has horrible facilities, and they play their games 30 miles away from Coral Gables to barely 30,000 per game. You would be nuts all things equal to choose Miami over FSU.

29 posted on 08/18/2011 8:40:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Renderofveils

Agree. For years it’s made me crazy how colleges admit, offer scholarships and special treatment to, and otherwise coddle athletes who can’t read or spell. Academic achievers not so much.

However, beyond the NCAA, let’s place some (lots of) blame on alumni and boosters. One friend told us (with perhaps some exaggeration) that her late father left more $ to his alma mater’s athletic program than to his 3 kids and 12 grandkids. They had a good family relationship; it was just a matter of priorities.


30 posted on 08/18/2011 8:40:59 AM PDT by EDINVA
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The NCAA won’t survive without Miami? BS!

You have to actually read the article. The author's point is a good one. If the NCAA crushes Miami's football program, it makes it more likely that the "Big 64" colleges (Big Ten, Pac 10, SEC, Big East and a handful from the Big 12) will withdraw from the NCAA and form their own governing body.

Every AD at any major school in the country is worried about similar violations at his own school. He's worried that if his school gets caught and slapped with a death penalty, it will be the end not only of his job, but of the athletic department at a major university. But if the Big 64 can leave the NCAA, write their own rules and regulations and then take all the money from the TV contracts, what's not to like about that if you're one of those schools?

31 posted on 08/18/2011 8:49:28 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: ken5050

We recruited our own talent this year. Who would want to go to Fl or Miami anyways. Their programs are a mess.


32 posted on 08/18/2011 9:11:19 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles
You look pretty good this year. BTW.. I wasn't smearing FSU...just wondering if certain kids are more likely to respond to temptation.

Lots of talk a few days ago that A&M was going to the SEC, and of course they need another team..Speculation was on FSU, then it disappeared. Do you think they held it off because they knew the MIami thing was about to hit..?

The BIG attraction of the ACC was supposedly the FSU/Miami championship game every year..hasn't happened, and now not likely for a decade....so do you think you move to the SEC?

33 posted on 08/18/2011 9:18:04 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO! But he should WALK 3 miles every day..)
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To: ken5050

Our biggest game is the Florida game which is the last game of the year. Im not sure what FSU will do. I think the SEC is probably the stronger conference. However, the ACC gets stronger every year. Personally, it doesn’t matter to me. I wouldn’t miss playing Miami or the dirtbags that take the 8 hr trek to litter up Tallahassee..


34 posted on 08/18/2011 9:27:24 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: ken5050

I don’t think Ohio State will get a bowl ban. Maybe lose a few scholies, but that’s about it.


35 posted on 08/18/2011 9:28:58 AM PDT by techworker
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To: ken5050

I don’t think Ohio State will get a bowl ban. Maybe lose a few scholies, but that’s about it.


36 posted on 08/18/2011 9:29:21 AM PDT by techworker
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

War Eagle and Go MSU Dawgs.


37 posted on 08/18/2011 9:41:58 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: MamaB

Will you be so proud when Scam admits he was bought and paid for?


38 posted on 08/18/2011 10:06:01 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: goseminoles

Why do you think Florida’s program is a mess, I’ve been very impressed so far with what Muschamp is doing.


39 posted on 08/18/2011 10:12:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Publius Valerius
You have to actually read the article. The author's point is a good one. If the NCAA crushes Miami's football program, it makes it more likely that the "Big 64" colleges (Big Ten, Pac 10, SEC, Big East and a handful from the Big 12) will withdraw from the NCAA and form their own governing body.

I think a College Football "Premier League" is inevitable.

40 posted on 08/18/2011 10:13:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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