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Alzheimer's disease - a neurospirochetosis.
The Journal of NeuroInflamation ^ | August 4, 2011 | By Judith Miklossy, MD

Posted on 08/26/2011 1:12:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: Swordmaker

What about the heredity factor?


61 posted on 08/26/2011 2:54:12 PM PDT by Texan
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To: grey_whiskers
How do oral spirochetes react to
1) Sucrose
2) Glucose
3) Fructose
4) HFCS
5) Insulin
6) Glucagon
??

Any of the "ose> sugars will provide sustenance to the buggies as will the High Fructose Corn Syrup... they love it. We recommend diet soft drinks. I have no idea what insulin and Glucagon will do to them. I have asked them any questions so I have no idea what the ?? will do... :^)>

Alcohol based mouthwashes do dry things out for a while... however the mouth is very good at producing saliva quickly, so i am not sure that is going to have any long-term effect.

According to my doctor, the ONLY known chemical that will safely dissolve existing plaques is Sodium Hypochlorite - bleach. I am sure there are some acidic products that will also zap plaque, but I am not sure how much tooth would be left after you used them... Plax may prevent plaque formation, but I don't have any data to give you.

62 posted on 08/26/2011 3:01:02 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker; grey_whiskers; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ...

If you knew sushi, like we know sushi...

Thanks Swordmaker and grey_whiskers.


63 posted on 08/26/2011 3:01:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Hot Tabasco
What about diluted Hydrogen Peroxide?

The brown bottle Hydrogen Peroxide is already pretty diluted... I am not certain how effective diluting it any further would be.

64 posted on 08/26/2011 3:02:49 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I brush my teeth with a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and baking soda. Maybe I’m on to something and didn’t even know it.

I don't think it will hurt. Just make sure you get the Baking Soda down into the gums... and get plenty of it in there.

65 posted on 08/26/2011 3:04:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Does 3% or 1.5% hydrogen peroxide either kill spirochetes or break up plaque?

I don't know for sure... Spirochetes curl into protective balls we call the spore form when threatened... and when the environment changes they open back up, hale and hearty again. It takes a LOT to kill them.

HP cannot break up plaque... only Sodium Hypochlorite can do that.

66 posted on 08/26/2011 3:06:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks - I’m quite happy to use baking soda. One final question - do you have your patients use a regular brush or an electric brush? When I use the electric brush it seems like it gets under the gums better than the manual brush.


67 posted on 08/26/2011 3:06:52 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Swordmaker
K E F I R -— it the answer

Google spirochetes and kefir-

Get live kefir grains and make your own at home with milk, coconut milk etc.

68 posted on 08/26/2011 3:07:38 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Swordmaker

Ping for later


69 posted on 08/26/2011 3:10:23 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: FredZarguna
Are these issues actually addressed in the full article?

Yes. Download the full article.

70 posted on 08/26/2011 3:12:15 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: SunkenCiv
If you knew sushi, like we know sushi...

Outside of Michigan, filet of sole is not sushi. ;-)

71 posted on 08/26/2011 3:18:54 PM PDT by decimon
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To: netmilsmom

Imho, baking soda is very abrasive. I don’t have veneers, but I don’t use it. I prefer gel tooth”paste”.


72 posted on 08/26/2011 3:25:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BlazingArizona
This is an interesting hypothesis, BUT - not only has it been around for a long time, but it has been held questionable for a long time. Try this 1993 reference:

Thanks for that link. I appreciate it. The problems they are pointing out are related to the assumption it is infectious... it is but the time factor is over decades!

One of the major disconnects that has occurred in medicine is that MDs do not treat the mouth and dentists do not treat the body... and ne'er the twain shall meet. Yet the mouth is the major gateway to the body!

Here we have a situation where communication has broken down. Even Dr. Miklossy is not talking to the people who work with ORAL infections... yet she is observing ORAL spirochetes in places they should not be, in the brain, in the islets of Langerhans in the Pancreas, in the plaques in the heart, veins, and arteries, yet they have YET to open a dialogue with the dentists who are researching the SAME issues from the ORAL periodontal infection approach. Why? Because they are MEDICAL DOCTORS... and a tad arrogant who think that dentists cannot possibly have input on the issue. Dr. Miklossy hasn't even broached the subject of attacking the problem at the source of the infection, the mouth!

How do you see people get an infection from an infected person when the damage of infection takes 20-30 years to evince? You simply don't. Even making the CONNECTION to the toothpaste spread... with a 20-25 year trailing connection is difficult... but it's been done by the dentists looking... It's buried in noise.

73 posted on 08/26/2011 3:26:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: reformedliberal
1) Does baking soda or peroxide or bleach solution damage bonding? While I have bonding on 3 teeth, I have only had degradation on one incisor. I was blaming the baking soda/peroxide, even though it didn’t make sense, since the other bonded teeth were fine.

Not that we know of... Most medical bonding agents were developed by dentists. However, all bonding agents will degrade over time. They will fail. So... some will fail quicker than other.

2) I have been on a low dose doxycycline for posterior stye (chalazion) off and on for a few years. I notice when I am on doxy, my mouth is much fresher in the morning. I assume it is attacking oral bacteria. Doxycycline is also used in Lyme’s therapy. Do you have any info on that?

Lyme's disease is also caused by a spirochete... and so it should kill spirochetes in the blood. Anything that kills bacteria in the mouth would help freshen the mouth by depleting the bacteria that poops in your mouth as the bad breath is caused by bad stuff they poop out... Baking soda will do that too... kill the bacterial colonies that do not have proper sanitation facilities to dispose of their waste products... have you smelled human cities that don't have sanitation sewers to remove poop? Not good. That's what bad breath is. poopy mouths. So yes, your doxy mouth will be fresher because you will have depopulated bug cities. You can help with the baking soda and peroxide mix daily. Keep your gums strong is best.

74 posted on 08/26/2011 3:33:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the advice and info, Swordmaker. I think the kids will use it (they swim a lot and who knows how much of that water they actually ingest!). Good to know that it has to be made fresh (I was actually thinking of making batches weekly). Now, I know that isn’t good. You did a great job on this post.


75 posted on 08/26/2011 3:34:12 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: glorgau
How about peroxide based mouthwashes?

Better than nothing... but not as good as the protocol I outlined.

76 posted on 08/26/2011 3:35:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Texan
What about the heredity factor?

it's present... About 10-15% of our patients have ZERO spirochetes in their mouths... some have ZERO bacteria in their mouths... and that without brushing or flossing. We have no idea how that happens or why.

Everyone else has them.

What is it about that minority... We don't even see DEAD bugs in their mouths! What sends the bugs running and screaming in fear from these people?

77 posted on 08/26/2011 3:38:20 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I may be on to something.

Yeah, but you're still a PDS troll. /thread-hijack>

Cheers!

78 posted on 08/26/2011 3:39:07 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: drjulie
Thanks - I’m quite happy to use baking soda. One final question - do you have your patients use a regular brush or an electric brush? When I use the electric brush it seems like it gets under the gums better than the manual brush.

Either... just keep it new. An old, worn out one is not much good. Also we strongly recommend a WaterPik™ for the Dakin's solution... it's high pressure can get into the gums and under bridges etc.

79 posted on 08/26/2011 3:40:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: trisham
Imho, baking soda is very abrasive. I don’t have veneers, but I don’t use it. I prefer gel tooth”paste”.

Your opinion is worthless... go with the science and the engineering. The MOHS Hardness scale puts Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) at 2.5... very soft... Talc is 1, Tooth Enamel is 5.

Gel tooth paste still has suspended abrasives in it... usually pumice.

80 posted on 08/26/2011 3:43:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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