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The Attack on Accidental Americans
Whiskey and Gunpowder ^ | Sept. 21, 2011 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 09/22/2011 8:10:12 AM PDT by danielmryan

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Her conclusion has echoes of left-wing rot, but I'd cut her some slack. Look at what FATCA is doing.

One of those accidental Americans is Globe and Mail columnist Margaret Wente. If the name rings a bell, it's because her opinions often dovetail with the regular fare here. "Help! I’m on the IRS hit list" explains why the IRS has sized her up as a FATCA 'fatcat': she was born in America, and came to Canada at thirteen. That's right: as a girl. She estimates that up to a million Canadians might be affected. Some came to Canada so young, they don't even know they're formally Americans. As Dr. McElroy pointed out, the IRS is picking on a girl because she was born in the States.

There are two reasons why I asked you to cut her some slack: first of all, this is a classic liberal policy. It deserves the name (w/ h/t to Jonah Goldberg) "liberal imperialism." Not American imperialism, liberal imperialism.

The second reason is, Dr. McElroy is right about this measure inflaming anti-Americanism. More specifically, and more worrisomely, it'll wedge anti-Americanism into groups who are inclined to be pro-American.

Nothing good can come of this measure. Obama's apology tours will become even more scoffed at - and not in a good way, either. His successor will have to deal with the reluctance that will come in the IRS's wake: once burned, twice shy. Real anti-Americans will be galvanized; I'm sure they'll say "I told you so." The inherent meanness of the IRS is going to become a huge diplomatic liability. Consequently, the War of Terror will be harder to fight.

Words fail me. The libs go soft when they should be firm, and they lash out when it's counterproductive. Do they even know what they're doing?

1 posted on 09/22/2011 8:10:15 AM PDT by danielmryan
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You can probably get an exemption if you are one of Eric Holder’s people.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 8:16:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: danielmryan
...Dr. McElroy...

Did she get a PhD?

3 posted on 09/22/2011 8:22:05 AM PDT by decimon
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I seem to remember that the US does not allow dual citizenship. That is, to be an American citizen you must be a citizen of the US ONLY.

Was I wrong?


4 posted on 09/22/2011 8:23:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: danielmryan

WAIT A SECOND!!!

THIS IS THE SOLUTION TO THE OBAMA ELIGIBILITY QUESTION!!!!

Did Obama’s parents pay income taxes while he was in Indonesia? If not, then either they are tax cheats, or they renounced their citizenship.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 8:25:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: danielmryan

Is Obama an accidental president?


6 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:03 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: danielmryan

This is purest predaton. No doubt whoever slipped this into the porkulus bill did not spend five minutes considering possible unanticipated consequences. But this is so much more than finding new was to prey on the little guy. Forcing every bank in the whole dam world to spend jillions on new software and specialists to rat out people who are in many cases their own citizens AND make it that much harder to do business with America is a nightmare come to life. The consequences promise to be huge. In fact, it’s clearly not going to work. This monster is going to collapse but only after causing much bad blood for us everywhere. Deservedly so, this time.

Conservatives don’t use the term “imperialist” often but this qualifies in spades. And this is liberal imperialism all the way.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:33 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

no, she could just dump her US Citizenship and come across illegally and not pay a dime. Plus, she’ll get all kinds of free stuff!


8 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:58 AM PDT by NativeSon
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Taxation on worldwide income is evil. Americans should be able to “vote with their feet” like Brits.


9 posted on 09/22/2011 8:29:09 AM PDT by Vide
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To: cuban leaf

You can have dual citizenship until you’re 18 i believe it is. Then you gotta choose one or the other.


10 posted on 09/22/2011 8:29:28 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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no, it changed in the 1980’s.

the danger is that you are subject to the other countries military conscription rules.


11 posted on 09/22/2011 8:30:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Why doesn’t the IRS just put a tax lien on their citizenship, foreclose, and sell it to the highest bidder?

Revenue enhancement, son, they call it revenue enhancement.


12 posted on 09/22/2011 8:31:58 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: cuban leaf

My nieces and nephews have dual citizenship with Ireland. One of the brothers also has dual citizenship with Brazil.


13 posted on 09/22/2011 8:37:21 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: danielmryan
Americans have allowed the IRS to become what it is; a giant monster that can and will take whatever it wants FROM YOU and anyone else it deems to have not done exactly what they think you should have done. If you do not follow the ever-changing, thousands of pages long tax code, which is impossible (Hi Timmy Geithner!!!), they can take what you own, threaten you with prison and sometimes make that happen, and generally make your life hell.

And Americans have let that happen. As long as it doesn't happen to you it's okee dokee, right?

At what point will freedom loving Americans stand up to this legitimized Godfather and remove their power to intimidate, steal from, threaten and bankrupt people?

We fought the King of England for less egregious offenses. And won, I might add.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

We have failed the Founding Fathers in countless ways. And we continue to slowly boil, while shaking our tiny fists at the beast.

14 posted on 09/22/2011 8:41:24 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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Still, none of these people are eligible for in-state tuition in Texas ~ but they gots’ta’ pay the IRS more than they’ve ever earned!


15 posted on 09/22/2011 8:42:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cuban leaf

We changed some time back.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 8:45:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cuban leaf
Was I wrong?

Yes.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

17 posted on 09/22/2011 8:47:06 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: longtermmemmory

I see. Thanks for the update. Nephew was born in Nova Scotia to US Navy parents stationed there and had to make the decision when he turned 18. It’s been many years ago.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 8:47:58 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: danielmryan
I am reminded of the three Chinese curses. It seems these unfortunate expats have been cursed with the first and second of the curses.

May you live in interesting times.
May you come to the attention of powerful people.
May you find what you are looking for.

19 posted on 09/22/2011 8:51:11 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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We have failed the Founding Fathers in countless ways. And we continue to slowly boil, while shaking our tiny fists at the beast.

"Slowly"? It happened fast and now it's too late. I read a lot of biographies and am constantly amazed at how free we were as recently as the 70s and 80s. And OMG, pre-WWII was anarchy! We blew it.

20 posted on 09/22/2011 8:51:36 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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