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Dozens speak against plan to relocate Yellowstone Park bison
Billings Gazette ^ | 10-7-11

Posted on 10/07/2011 5:26:35 AM PDT by SJackson

DEER LODGE — Ranchers and landowners on Wednesday packed the Powell County Community Center, just a few miles from what has become ground zero in the debate over whether there is a place for wild bison on Montana's landscape.

If those who spoke in the first of three public hearings on a proposal to relocate Yellowstone National Park bison was any indication, the answer is an emphatic no. Dozens of people from this southwestern Montana community where cattle is king told state wildlife officials they were against the plan. None was in favor of it.

"This is not the 1800s. We have ranchers and farmers who need their hay lands, their grain fields, their stock yards protected. And you are putting them in danger," said Powell County resident Bill Mattice. "Stay out of the buffalo business!"

Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks has proposed temporarily relocating dozens of bison to the Spotted Dog Wildlife Management Area or three other possible sites across the state.

Wildlife officials say the bison are disease-free after spending years in quarantine as part of a U.S. government program. But that hasn't convinced those concerned that the wild animals could transmit disease to their cattle and damage their fields.

The debate, which has grown sharper this year as FWP developed its plans, is now centered on the public hearings on the draft environmental assessment of the relocation proposal that the agency released last month.

The meeting became contentious before it even really began.

Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_28debc10-f013-11e0-8012-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1a68XYr7a


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: buffalo; montana

1 posted on 10/07/2011 5:26:41 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

I can't imagine why a landowner would object to the NPS relocating bison to or adjacent to their land.

2 posted on 10/07/2011 5:28:03 AM PDT by SJackson (The irony is, the reason I was in this office is because I told a story to the American people, BHO)
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To: SJackson

there are 10s of thousands of healthy bison now throughout the west..the current crop at Yellowstone came from the Bronx Zoo....and they had Brucellosis...which can kill other ungulates.

Move some of Ted Turners healthy Bison in from nearby and make up some nice Bison steaks roasts and burgers from the current Yellowstone herd.


3 posted on 10/07/2011 5:31:58 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SJackson

They want to get them out of the park because of all the frick’n wolves are killing them.


4 posted on 10/07/2011 5:34:04 AM PDT by mmanager
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To: mmanager

I thought part of the problem was they aren’t able to keep them in the park. They tend to wander, and it takes some good fencing to keep them in. Government seems to have some serious fence issues. No pun intended.


5 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:39 AM PDT by wita
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To: SJackson

how’s about my dinner plate?


6 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:56 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SJackson

“I can’t imagine why a landowner would object to the NPS relocating bison to or adjacent to their land.”

Are you serious??? Oh, I get it, a sarcasm tag is unnecessary for that statement.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 5:49:34 AM PDT by ngat
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To: SJackson

Who owns the land?

If they want to relocate bison on land that is owned by us taxpayers, then I say give us out bison. It is our land.

If the ranchers do not want bison, then they can buy their own land.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 5:50:36 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: SJackson

Buff...it’s whats for dinner.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 5:53:44 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: ngat; CGalen

If you think that first comment was surprising, ngat, check out the sheer genius CGalen.

“If the ranchers do not want bison, then they can buy their own land.”

Holy crap. No wonder the rural west, and the country in general, is in the shape it is.

Hey CGalen-—how about if the government puts a few diseased bison in the yard (or apartment) next to yours? If you don’t like it you can move somewhere else, right?


10 posted on 10/07/2011 6:13:45 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: SJackson

You forgot the /sarc.

(I should have been at that meeting, but had to work too far north to make the run down there in time.)

NPS...aka the Park Pigs...have an unblemished record at and a couple of hundred miles around Yellowstone: They completely **** up everything they touch.

Wolves? Got the bastards running wild all over three states after “saving” the Park population.

Bears? You can read, I’ve stopped keeping track of the bear “encounters” aka attacks in the past year alone.

Forest management? It’s an oxymoron: Nobody can harvest a tree or even clear deadfall, so lightning or a careless tourist start a fire that burns a couple dozen square miles and then some judge says the burned-out stuff can’t be touched so we just get to wait for the next lightning or a careless tourist to set the mess off again.

Now they’re going to “manage” buffalo, and by inference/incompetence all the rest of wildlife and the entire livestock business in the same three state area they’ve almost completely screwed up already.

That silly bunch of CHARLEY FOXTROTs in NPS and BLM couldn’t “manage” to put it out if they set their own foot on fire.


11 posted on 10/07/2011 6:34:01 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((470 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: SJackson
If they want to move them over there so we can hunt them sounds good but if they want to raise them and possibly threaten our beef industry with burcilosis then no.
Buffalo is for hunting...
12 posted on 10/07/2011 7:05:21 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Fightin Whitey

....sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore....


13 posted on 10/07/2011 7:06:48 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((470 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: SJackson

Where are the animal rights loonies?

Did anyone ask the bison?

They have feelings too.


14 posted on 10/07/2011 7:11:01 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Vaquero

I heard awhile back that Ted was supposed to take 2,000 of these animals to his bison ranch. He wanted the new genetic stock for his herd. I wonder what happened to that?


15 posted on 10/07/2011 7:14:57 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

This sounds like a great idea! Right after we but bear and wolves into Central Park!


16 posted on 10/07/2011 7:29:03 AM PDT by spudville
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To: spudville

Don’t forget California - the flag of the state with the grizzly on it - of course today there are none in CA - and And I suggest they reintroduce them to the hills of Malibu


17 posted on 10/07/2011 8:32:22 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

You mention forest management. Don’t know what area you are in but you can drive nearly from Bozeman up past Great Falls and Helena and see nothing but dead trees—millions of acres, killled by pine beetle.

In a few years there will be millions more and then the fires will start and half the state will burn. Then the rain and snow will bring the soot and topsoil down and the rivers will be clogged with silt, perhaps for generations.

That’s called forest management and conservation, U.S. government style.

Listen, though, don’t give up. At least we can go out and shoot a wolf.


18 posted on 10/07/2011 8:58:34 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

If you think that first comment was surprising, ngat, check out the sheer genius CGalen.
“If the ranchers do not want bison, then they can buy their own land.”...

That makes sense if your wish is to return to a hunter-gatherer type of civilization.


19 posted on 10/07/2011 8:59:26 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Fightin Whitey

One correction: A whole lot of those dead trees WERE killed by pine beetles, but most of that stuff is fire kill. Got the same deal running east from Bozeman along I90 nearly all the way to Billings.

Shoot a wolf? Me? Never heard of such a thing.

(..riiiiiiiiiight..)


20 posted on 10/07/2011 9:15:08 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((470 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: Citizen Soldier
Don’t forget California - the flag of the state with the grizzly on it - of course today there are none in CA - and And I suggest they reintroduce them to the hills of Malibu

The Mexican drug cartels would complain to Holder about that.

21 posted on 10/07/2011 5:50:17 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

Be interested to talk to you about that.

I’m not very familiar with the forests heading north toward Great Falls and Helena, and even less so with those farther west and north.

But I live near and hunt and fish in the very areas burned by the great fires between Bozeman and Billings. And the burned areas now hold great expanses of gray, spidery dead trees.

While the areas even up toward Bozeman that I’m talking about are thick and dense-—but RED.

Now perhaps those wide swaths of red trees were somehow killed by the heat of fires, or something, without having actually been burned or scorched.

I have always believed, maybe on too little evidence, that it is pine beetle.

You sound like you know what you are talking about and I appreciate the responses.


22 posted on 10/07/2011 8:10:33 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

Whitey - I agree, that Galen guy is an ignorant idiot! As I understand the problem from having become aware of it years ago, Yellowstone herds are frequently infected with brucellosis that may cause spontaneous miscarriage of bovine fetuses. (Elk can carry the disease also.) Any cattle exposed to this disease cannot be exported beyond Montana’s borders by federal regulation. This the death knell to any rancher in Montana looking to earn a profit ranching.

Along comes the Montana legislature passing a law that ANY Yellowstone bison having abandoned the park to wander into non-park lands in the state of Montana may be immediately exterminated in order to protect/ensure the health of adjacent cattle herds and the livelihood of their citizens. That legislation was necessary and indeed commendable!!

You notice that Ted Turner (the mouth from the South) is very quiet on this subject because he recognizes the risk and wouldn’t want other ranchers killing his bison that break their fences had they become infected!

JC


23 posted on 10/07/2011 10:27:31 PM PDT by cracker45
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To: SJackson
I can't imagine why a landowner would object to the NPS relocating bison to or adjacent to their land.

You really should use the /s tag.

Imagine something which will tear down a conventional barbed wire fence at will, while you are trying to graze your herds on your pasture, not only chase your cattle out, but eat their grass...

Just for starters, if they don't infect your herd with Brucellosis.

No problemo, right? (/s)

24 posted on 10/08/2011 1:39:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
Wolves? Got the bastards running wild all over three states after “saving” the Park population.

In western ND, too.

25 posted on 10/08/2011 1:48:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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