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To: Liberty1970
even though there is a great deal of heat unaccounted for, especially the water from the condensed steam, which they poured down the drain.

That's called "getting rid of the evidence".

How do we know that it was water he was pouring down the drain. There are other possibilities. For example, Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) reacts with nickel (among other metals) to produce heat, steam and Oxygen (O2). From what I've read, a 35% solution of Hydrogen Peroxide (commonly available as a sterilizing solution for the food industry) would produce as much energy as Rossi claims to be producing with his device. Has anyone actually tested the liquid being put into the device to prove that it is pure water? Has anyone tested the resulting condensed steam? (Apparently not, if they were pouring it down the drain.)

Maybe Rossi has made the breakthrough of the century. But he is working hard to avoid doing any tests that would eliminate the possibility of fraud. It is appropriate to be very skeptical of Rossi and his e-cat unless/until he allows the system to be testing with proper controls of everything going in to, and coming out of, his device.

18 posted on 10/10/2011 12:32:26 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Good post. There were two separate lines of water in the latest demonstration. One ran into and out of the E-cat, and then to a heat exchanger where it transferred heat to a second body of water.

The first water line then went to a drain. Meanwhile the 2nd body of water also went to another drain. One drain was inside, the other outside. It does strike me as odd that they didn't just run them to the same drain (why not if they are just water)?

I recall someone writing/calculating that 1.8 tons of water ran through the E-cat during the 'self-powered' portion of the demonstration. That would be a lot of water. Now, thinking through what you said, the hydrogen peroxide would have to be in this first water line, because the observers agree the heat was coming from the E-cat itself, not just appearing in the heat exchanger. This means the 2nd water line can be ruled out as far as anything suspicious goes.

You mention a 35% mix of hydrogen peroxide, but that would require almost 1000 lbs. of hydrogen peroxide in the water-in line if the 1.8 ton comment is correct. The E-cat itself weighed only ~200 lbs., so the hydrogen peroxide would have to have been fed in, not stored within the E-cat for this test.

I'm not enough of a chemist, so I defer to you and others: Could hydrogen peroxide be mixed in at a much more dilute level with a very large quantity of water and still provide a heating effect such as was observed? Otherwise, it doesn't seem terribly plausible that Rossi managed to plumb the water line and add a thousand pounds of hydrogen peroxide without anyone noticing. Conceivable? Maybe. Can anyone add more insight pro or con?

19 posted on 10/10/2011 1:06:45 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (30 yrs. ago we had Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash & Bob Hope.Now we have no jobs, no cash and no hope.)
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To: Johnny B.

How do we know that it was water he was pouring down the drain. There are other possibilities. For example, Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) reacts with nickel (among other metals) to produce heat, steam and Oxygen (O2).
***Already covered

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts


27 posted on 10/10/2011 9:26:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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