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2011 SOUTH KOREA GRAND PRIX - Live Thread
Chode ^ | 10/13/2011 | Chode

Posted on 10/13/2011 4:02:42 PM PDT by Chode

2011 SOUTH KOREA GRAND PRIX

Venue: Yeongam
Date: Sunday 16 October
Lap length: 3.39 miles
Race laps: 55
2010 winner: Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
First grand prix: 2010

Fri Cloudy 20c

Sat Sunny 24c

Sun Sunny 22c


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: f1; formulaone; grandprix

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1 posted on 10/13/2011 4:02:48 PM PDT by Chode
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To: Chode; atc23; Bad~Rodeo; Betis70; bobby.223; bobt7818; BreezyDog; brf1; briankk; cld51860; ...
UP...!!!

2 posted on 10/13/2011 4:03:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
Stuff...

New world champion Sebastian Vettel is not the best driver in Formula 1, according to former Renault team boss Flavio Briatore. "Vettel is definitely good," said the Italian. "But he won because he best managed his phenomenal car. He is not the best. If there was a race where they were all in the same car, Vettel would be behind Fernando Alonso and also Lewis Hamilton. On a qualifying lap, I see Vettel in pole position, then Hamilton and Alonso third."
Full story: Corriere dello Sport (in Italian)

Vettel has raised the bar for what is expected of a world championship-winning driver, according to BBC pundit and Red Bull adviser David Coulthard. "Up until this year, Alonso was the benchmark in F1 because he won back-to-back championships for Renault at a time when Michael was still at his peak at Ferrari, and even Seb looked at him like that. But now that's changing. It's not that Fernando has lost his powers, it's that Seb has proved his ability to deliver the lap time, energise the team, pull things back when it's not going well, not make many mistakes."
(Autosport magazine)

Former world champion Kimi Raikkonen's move to Williams hangs in the balance because of sponsorship uncertainties.
(Autosport magazine)

Mercedes GP have rubbished talk that they are on the verge of breaking F1's Resource Restriction Agreement, ahead of talks in Korea this weekend to end unease about spending limits.
Full story: Autosport

Group Lotus owner Proton has denied that it has plans to sell a stake in the sportscar manufacturer to Renault team owner Gerard Lopez.
Full story: Autosport

Williams F1, designer Mike Coughlan and Nascar team Michael Waltrip Racing (MWR) have announced that they have reached an amicable solution to the dispute arising out of Coughlan leaving the American team to join Williams. In July, MWR told BBC Sport that they wanted compensation for what they believed was a breach of contract.
Full story: Williams F1

Former GP2 and A1GP driver Neel Jani has become the latest driver to demo a Red Bull F1 car by driving along the world's highest developed road on the Khardung-La pass in India.
Full story: Red Bull UK

3 posted on 10/13/2011 4:04:26 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

What about Jenson Button? What place is he in? ( I’ve missed a few races...)


4 posted on 10/13/2011 4:14:12 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Chode

Hamilton is only midpack in the talent pool of current F1 drivers, imo. He’s in a decent car.

Jensen Button is a far better driver and it looks like Hamilton will be relegated to #2 at Mclaren.

He won’t be able to stand that...


5 posted on 10/13/2011 4:15:30 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Chode
Who cares what Briatore says. Who besides Vettel has ever made a Toro Rosso look good? Does Vettel have a cool personality to go with his driving skill---not like Jones, Rosberg (Keke), Prost or Lauda certainly. But he's not much like Shumacher or Senna, either.

I guess he's as much as one can ask for in a modern F1 pilot.

If the RB is 'the best car out there', why hasn't Webbo been on the podium more often?

Hamilton's reputation has suffered this year but Button's has grown quite a bit.

Poor rich-boy Massa---can't get any respect.

Old Schumi sure did beat the socks off of Nico last time out! (/sarc)

6 posted on 10/13/2011 4:23:24 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: dragonblustar

Button is second in the WC. Alonso is close in third, then Webber, and Hamilton. Massa a long ways back, just in front of the Merc drivers, Rosberg and The Schum!


7 posted on 10/13/2011 4:30:43 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: dragonblustar
Position Driver Country Team Points
1 Sebastian Vettel Ger Red Bull-Renault 324
2 Jenson Button GB McLaren-Mercedes 210
3 Fernando Alonso Spa Ferrari 202
4 Mark Webber Aus Red Bull-Renault 194
5 Lewis Hamilton GB McLaren-Mercedes 178
6 Felipe Massa Brz Ferrari 90
7 Nico Rosberg Ger Mercedes GP 63
8 Michael Schumacher Ger Mercedes GP 60
9 Vitaly Petrov Rus Renault 36
10 Nick Heidfeld Ger Renault 34
11 Adrian Sutil Ger Force India-Mercedes 28
12 Kamui Kobayashi Jpn Sauber 27
13 Paul Di Resta GB Force India-Mercedes 20
14 Jaime Alguersuari Spa Toro Rosso-Ferrari 16
15 Sergio Perez Mex Sauber 13
16 Sebastien Buemi Swi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 13
17 Rubens Barrichello Brz Williams-Cosworth 4
18 Bruno Senna Brz Renault 2
19 Pastor Maldonado Ven Williams-Cosworth 1
20 Pedro de la Rosa Spa Sauber 0
21 Jarno Trulli Ita Lotus-Renault 0
22 Heikki Kovalainen Fin Lotus-Renault 0
23 Vitantonio Liuzzi Ita Hispania-Cosworth 0
24 Jerome d'Ambrosio Bel Virgin-Cosworth 0
25 Timo Glock Ger Virgin-Cosworth 0
26 Daniel Ricciardo Aus Hispania-Cosworth 0
27 Narain Karthikeyan Ind Hispania-Cosworth 0
28 Karun Chandhok Ind Lotus-Renault 0

8 posted on 10/13/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ltc8k6
Lewis Hamilton says it will take some time to recover from what he has described as his worst season in Formula 1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15290756.stm

9 posted on 10/13/2011 4:48:49 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Cruising Speed
i agree with everything you said except the RB's not being the class of the field...

maybe McBenz if they dint step on it's own tail half the time

10 posted on 10/13/2011 4:58:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Seb, all the way. He’s already got it locked.


11 posted on 10/13/2011 6:22:39 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: ltc8k6
He won’t be able to stand that...

Maybe his next gig will be to team up with his gf and be a judge on X-factor?

12 posted on 10/13/2011 6:27:09 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: West Texas Chuck
yup... just a race for second now
13 posted on 10/13/2011 6:37:38 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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2nd practice

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:50.828 26
2 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:50.932 0.104 19
3 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:52.646 1.818 30
4 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:52.774 1.946 25
5 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:53.049 2.221 27
6 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:53.402 2.574 25
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:53.707 2.879 24
8 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:53.914 3.086 18
9 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:53.948 3.120 27
10 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:53.957 3.129 32
11 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:54.200 3.372 26
12 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:54.392 3.564 26
13 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:54.831 4.003 30
14 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:54.965 4.137 21
15 9 Bruno Senna Renault 1:55.187 4.359 28
16 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:55.203 4.375 24
17 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:55.544 4.716 23
18 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1:56.067 5.239 22
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:56.669 5.841 20
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1:57.173 6.345 19
21 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:58.269 7.441 25
22 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1:59.458 8.630 26
23 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 1:59.958 9.130 19
24 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 2:00.165 9.337 20

14 posted on 10/14/2011 4:17:33 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ltc8k6

My son, who is far more attuned to these things than I, believes Hamilton will leave McLaren because he can’t stand the idea of being #2 to Button. He may even go to a crap team like Williams.

I think Button is having his best year, even better than his World Championship season. That year, his car was so dominant at the start of the season anyone could have built up the lead he did, and then coasted to the title. This year, he’s really shown that he can do some things on the track. His “worst to first” at Canada comes to mind. His only problem is that he’s having a great year during the ascendancy of Seb.

I do think Button is the best of the rest right now, even better than Alonzo, clearly better than Hamilton. It would be interesting to see how he would do if they did away with DRS, because he’s been the one to make the most out of that new tactic.


15 posted on 10/14/2011 8:02:29 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: Chode

I’m glad the weather looks like it’s going to be sunny and dry, instead of pouring rain like last year. Vettel is sandbagging in practice as usual.


16 posted on 10/14/2011 8:29:48 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: henkster
at 2seconds off the pace, he might just be
17 posted on 10/14/2011 2:58:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
qualifying

Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.525 1:36.526 1:35.820 14
2 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:39.093 1:37.285 1:36.042 12
3 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.929 1:37.302 1:36.126 14
4 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:39.071 1:37.292 1:36.468 11
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:38.670 1:37.313 1:36.831 16
6 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:38.393 1:37.352 1:36.980 11
7 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:38.426 1:37.892 1:37.754 12
8 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:38.378 1:38.186 1:38.124 19
9 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:38.549 1:38.254 No time 16
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:38.789 1:38.219 No time 14
11 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:39.392 1:38.315 11
12 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:38.502 1:38.354 9
13 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:39.352 1:38.508 11
14 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:39.464 1:38.775 13
15 9 Bruno Senna Renault 1:39.316 1:38.791 14
16 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1:39.436 1:39.189 8
17 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:39.097 1:39.443 14
18 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:39.538 4
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:40.522 6
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1:41.101 6
21 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:42.091 7
22 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1:43.483 8
23 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1:43.758 8
DNQ 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth No time 2
Q1 107% Time 1:44.351

18 posted on 10/15/2011 8:18:36 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Every race my sons and I have a pool for how many spots Webber will have lost coming out of turn 1. This week I put in “1” since I figure Alonso will pass him. Normally Webber can hold off Massa and I don’t think Petrov or Rosberg can get around both Massa and Webber.


19 posted on 10/15/2011 9:24:16 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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>>Every race my sons and I have a pool for how many spots Webber will have lost coming out of turn 1.

Ha! I vote 3.

What was with Hamilton after the quali? He acted like someone just ran over his favorite dog.


20 posted on 10/15/2011 9:32:48 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: henkster
who's ahead???
21 posted on 10/15/2011 12:58:23 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Betis70
don't know as i dint see it... now you have me wondering though
22 posted on 10/15/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

My 18 year old, Aaron. He has a knack for these things. His # this week is 3; he says Weber is just going through the motions finishing out the season.


23 posted on 10/15/2011 7:38:04 PM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: henkster
he still might be able to be Nando...
24 posted on 10/15/2011 7:50:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 55 1:38:01.994 2 25
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 55 +12.0 secs 1 18
3 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 55 +12.4 secs 4 15
4 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 55 +14.6 secs 3 12
5 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 55 +15.6 secs 6 10
6 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 55 +25.1 secs 5 8
7 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 55 +49.5 secs 11 6
8 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 55 +54.0 secs 7 4
9 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 55 +62.7 secs 13 2
10 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 55 +68.6 secs 9 1
11 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 55 +71.2 secs 10
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 55 +93.0 secs 18
13 9 Bruno Senna Renault 54 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 54 +1 Lap 19
15 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 54 +1 Lap 14
16 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 54 +1 Lap 17
17 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 54 +1 Lap 20
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 54 +1 Lap 21
19 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 54 +1 Lap 24
20 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 54 +1 Lap 22
21 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 52 +3 Laps 23
Ret 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 30 Engine 16
Ret 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 16 Accident 8
Ret 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 15 Accident 12

25 posted on 10/16/2011 7:26:27 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode


26 posted on 10/16/2011 7:27:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Some decent wheel-to-wheel racing with Hamilton and Webber. Webber had the pace to get 2nd, he really needed to stay out 1 or 2 laps before pitting for the last time. Hamilton’s tires were knackered.

Red Bull clinch the constructor’s, and still have some single season records to break.

Stands looked awfully empty.


27 posted on 10/16/2011 12:49:34 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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yup, Ham set best race time on the next to last lap

the crowd surprised me too...

28 posted on 10/16/2011 12:52:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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