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Posted on 10/13/2011 4:02:42 PM PDT by Chode
2011 SOUTH KOREA GRAND PRIX
Date: Sunday 16 October
Lap length: 3.39 miles
Race laps: 55
2010 winner: Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
First grand prix: 2010
Fri Cloudy 20c
Sat Sunny 24c
Sun Sunny 22c
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New world champion Sebastian Vettel is not the best driver in Formula 1, according to former Renault team boss Flavio Briatore. "Vettel is definitely good," said the Italian. "But he won because he best managed his phenomenal car. He is not the best. If there was a race where they were all in the same car, Vettel would be behind Fernando Alonso and also Lewis Hamilton. On a qualifying lap, I see Vettel in pole position, then Hamilton and Alonso third."
Full story: Corriere dello Sport (in Italian)
Vettel has raised the bar for what is expected of a world championship-winning driver, according to BBC pundit and Red Bull adviser David Coulthard. "Up until this year, Alonso was the benchmark in F1 because he won back-to-back championships for Renault at a time when Michael was still at his peak at Ferrari, and even Seb looked at him like that. But now that's changing. It's not that Fernando has lost his powers, it's that Seb has proved his ability to deliver the lap time, energise the team, pull things back when it's not going well, not make many mistakes."
Former world champion Kimi Raikkonen's move to Williams hangs in the balance because of sponsorship uncertainties.
Mercedes GP have rubbished talk that they are on the verge of breaking F1's Resource Restriction Agreement, ahead of talks in Korea this weekend to end unease about spending limits.
Full story: Autosport
Group Lotus owner Proton has denied that it has plans to sell a stake in the sportscar manufacturer to Renault team owner Gerard Lopez.
Full story: Autosport
Williams F1, designer Mike Coughlan and Nascar team Michael Waltrip Racing (MWR) have announced that they have reached an amicable solution to the dispute arising out of Coughlan leaving the American team to join Williams. In July, MWR told BBC Sport that they wanted compensation for what they believed was a breach of contract.
Full story: Williams F1
Former GP2 and A1GP driver Neel Jani has become the latest driver to demo a Red Bull F1 car by driving along the world's highest developed road on the Khardung-La pass in India.
Full story: Red Bull UK
What about Jenson Button? What place is he in? ( I’ve missed a few races...)
Hamilton is only midpack in the talent pool of current F1 drivers, imo. He’s in a decent car.
Jensen Button is a far better driver and it looks like Hamilton will be relegated to #2 at Mclaren.
He won’t be able to stand that...
I guess he's as much as one can ask for in a modern F1 pilot.
If the RB is 'the best car out there', why hasn't Webbo been on the podium more often?
Hamilton's reputation has suffered this year but Button's has grown quite a bit.
Poor rich-boy Massa---can't get any respect.
Old Schumi sure did beat the socks off of Nico last time out! (/sarc)
Button is second in the WC. Alonso is close in third, then Webber, and Hamilton. Massa a long ways back, just in front of the Merc drivers, Rosberg and The Schum!
|1||Sebastian Vettel||Ger||Red Bull-Renault||324|
|4||Mark Webber||Aus||Red Bull-Renault||194|
|7||Nico Rosberg||Ger||Mercedes GP||63|
|8||Michael Schumacher||Ger||Mercedes GP||60|
|11||Adrian Sutil||Ger||Force India-Mercedes||28|
|13||Paul Di Resta||GB||Force India-Mercedes||20|
|14||Jaime Alguersuari||Spa||Toro Rosso-Ferrari||16|
|16||Sebastien Buemi||Swi||Toro Rosso-Ferrari||13|
|20||Pedro de la Rosa||Spa||Sauber||0|
maybe McBenz if they dint step on it's own tail half the time
Seb, all the way. He’s already got it locked.
Maybe his next gig will be to team up with his gf and be a judge on X-factor?
|10||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:53.957||3.129||32|
|12||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:54.392||3.564||26|
My son, who is far more attuned to these things than I, believes Hamilton will leave McLaren because he can’t stand the idea of being #2 to Button. He may even go to a crap team like Williams.
I think Button is having his best year, even better than his World Championship season. That year, his car was so dominant at the start of the season anyone could have built up the lead he did, and then coasted to the title. This year, he’s really shown that he can do some things on the track. His “worst to first” at Canada comes to mind. His only problem is that he’s having a great year during the ascendancy of Seb.
I do think Button is the best of the rest right now, even better than Alonzo, clearly better than Hamilton. It would be interesting to see how he would do if they did away with DRS, because he’s been the one to make the most out of that new tactic.
I’m glad the weather looks like it’s going to be sunny and dry, instead of pouring rain like last year. Vettel is sandbagging in practice as usual.
|9||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:38.549||1:38.254||No time||16|
|10||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:38.789||1:38.219||No time||14|
|DNQ||22||Daniel Ricciardo||HRT-Cosworth||No time||2|
|Q1 107% Time||1:44.351|
Every race my sons and I have a pool for how many spots Webber will have lost coming out of turn 1. This week I put in “1” since I figure Alonso will pass him. Normally Webber can hold off Massa and I don’t think Petrov or Rosberg can get around both Massa and Webber.
>>Every race my sons and I have a pool for how many spots Webber will have lost coming out of turn 1.
Ha! I vote 3.
What was with Hamilton after the quali? He acted like someone just ran over his favorite dog.
My 18 year old, Aaron. He has a knack for these things. His # this week is 3; he says Weber is just going through the motions finishing out the season.
|2||3||Lewis Hamilton||McLaren-Mercedes||55||+12.0 secs||1||18|
|3||2||Mark Webber||RBR-Renault||55||+12.4 secs||4||15|
|4||4||Jenson Button||McLaren-Mercedes||55||+14.6 secs||3||12|
|5||5||Fernando Alonso||Ferrari||55||+15.6 secs||6||10|
|6||6||Felipe Massa||Ferrari||55||+25.1 secs||5||8|
|7||19||Jaime Alguersuari||STR-Ferrari||55||+49.5 secs||11||6|
|8||8||Nico Rosberg||Mercedes||55||+54.0 secs||7||4|
|9||18||Sebastien Buemi||STR-Ferrari||55||+62.7 secs||13||2|
|10||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||55||+68.6 secs||9||1|
|11||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||55||+71.2 secs||10|
|12||11||Rubens Barrichello||Williams-Cosworth||55||+93.0 secs||18|
|13||9||Bruno Senna||Renault||54||+1 Lap||15|
|14||20||Heikki Kovalainen||Lotus-Renault||54||+1 Lap||19|
|15||16||Kamui Kobayashi||Sauber-Ferrari||54||+1 Lap||14|
|16||17||Sergio Perez||Sauber-Ferrari||54||+1 Lap||17|
|17||21||Jarno Trulli||Lotus-Renault||54||+1 Lap||20|
|18||24||Timo Glock||Virgin-Cosworth||54||+1 Lap||21|
|19||22||Daniel Ricciardo||HRT-Cosworth||54||+1 Lap||24|
|20||25||Jerome d'Ambrosio||Virgin-Cosworth||54||+1 Lap||22|
|21||23||Vitantonio Liuzzi||HRT-Cosworth||52||+3 Laps||23|
Some decent wheel-to-wheel racing with Hamilton and Webber. Webber had the pace to get 2nd, he really needed to stay out 1 or 2 laps before pitting for the last time. Hamilton’s tires were knackered.
Red Bull clinch the constructor’s, and still have some single season records to break.
Stands looked awfully empty.
the crowd surprised me too...