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Iceman Autopsy
National Geographic ^ | 11-2011 | Stephen S. Hall

Posted on 10/29/2011 4:22:00 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: Renfield

He killed and ate a wild goat, and then someone killed him? Quick....was there greenpeace back then? You’ll find your murderer there.


21 posted on 10/29/2011 7:22:45 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MD Expat in PA

Just astonishing what they can do with genes today. They could tell by a marker that Otsi had brown eyes. Said his closest relatives today are found on (I think) Sardinia.

They have techniques that give them as much information in 3 days as would have taken 3 years a half a decade ago. And 10 years ago they couldn’t even imagine doing these tests.


22 posted on 10/29/2011 7:26:47 AM PDT by DManA
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To: blueunicorn6

Killed a goat? May have killed and ate a neolithic muzzies wife?


23 posted on 10/29/2011 7:28:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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24 posted on 10/29/2011 8:01:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: central_va

I suppose that is cannibalism to them.


25 posted on 10/29/2011 8:06:35 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

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Thanks Renfield. I thought we'd had recent stuff on Oetzi, not sure now, so I'm going to cast doubt to the four winds and ping this. :')

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


26 posted on 10/29/2011 10:25:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

That has to be one of the best “mysteries” I’ve ever heard of, and I’m so glad we now have the technology to do more than guess. I’ve followed his story since he was found.

Thanks!


27 posted on 10/29/2011 10:37:09 AM PDT by Monkey Face (It's OK to stumble, as long as you fall forward. <Unknown>)
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To: Sacajaweau; DManA
An interesting find on the Iceman's body ....


Near the Iceman's knee, a cross-shaped tattoo still stands out on his leathery skin. It may have been a folk remedy for arthritic joint pain.

... or .... I guess we will never know the truth.

28 posted on 10/29/2011 11:53:00 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Acupuncture points.


29 posted on 10/29/2011 12:34:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: Sacajaweau

I guess you’d have to take that up with the socialist governments of Austria and Italy. Luckily, no American tax money was spent giving grants to researchers who were perpetuating this pursuit of knowledge of our ancient forebears.

Is it money on anthropological research you disapprove of, or all grant money?


30 posted on 10/29/2011 12:46:52 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Society” hasn’t existed for “millions of years.” Homo sapiens itself has only been around for 200,000 years or so.

But even overlooking your vast exaggeration, your premise is still incorrect. Look at he treatment of corpses in the oldest civilization we have written records of - the Egyptian, dating from 3200 BC. There certainly WAS dismemberment of the dead human body from society’s earliest days. The earliest canopic jars date from the dynasty of Huni, 2637 - 2613 BC. Having your viscera all pulled out and stuffed into 4 jars (so that you can more easily find them in the afterlife) should certainly constitute “defacing and degrading human beings.”

Of course, there’s also the argument that slavery, as it has been practiced since time immemorial, also constitutes “defacing and degrading human beings.” It’s estimated that there are presently over 20 million people in slavery today, from servants in the Sudan to child carpet weavers in India. You may feel just as strongly against that, as well.

However, it shoots your theory that “society did without it” to pieces. If you give humans the freedom to treat other humans like dirt, without fear of retribution or sanction, they will do just that.


31 posted on 10/29/2011 1:02:16 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Renfield
A bit grisly but fascinating none the less. Unlike some of the other readers I don't find this to be a disrespectful mutilation. The first team did that. It seems as if this time around they took all the precautions they could to not damage the remains while gathering as much useful information as possible.

It's also really interesting to find out that Lyme disease was active in Europe back then. I thought it was a New World disease spread by North American ticks.

As far as hardening of the arteries... I'm not sure I'm positive that this suggests a more genetically basis. His stomach was full of highly fatty meats. Exactly the sorts of things my doctor warns me about. Unless there is some light that could be shed on this for me.

32 posted on 10/30/2011 3:22:07 PM PDT by texanred
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