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Believing in Cold Fusion and the E-Cat
Forbes Magazine ^ | Oct 30 2011 | Mark Gibbs

Posted on 10/30/2011 7:52:15 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo
***And Rossi’s claims met the requirement of a paying customer.

A shill that buys a faulty device isn't extraordinary proof.

61 posted on 10/31/2011 7:24:22 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
***The Pons-Fleischmann effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times.

Your source for that claim isn't credible.

Then Rossi came along with his catalyzer that made it more reproducible.

LOL!

62 posted on 10/31/2011 7:26:10 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gideon7
The patent claims an application of "a method and apparatus for carrying out nickel and hydrogen exothermal reactions."

Yes, the patent application is a mess, and Rossi having a shill customer tote his hunk of garbage away doesn't make it any more credible.

63 posted on 10/31/2011 7:30:37 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Rossi’s actions are not the actions of a scientist, they are the actions of a

***Business man.

Con man.

64 posted on 10/31/2011 7:44:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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65 posted on 10/31/2011 8:27:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Moonman62

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To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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66 posted on 10/31/2011 8:29:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Moonman62

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To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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67 posted on 10/31/2011 8:30:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

I have a PhD in Physics, what are your technical qualifications to make a technical assessment?


68 posted on 10/31/2011 8:32:56 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

I have a PhD in Physics,
***Then make a name for yourself an refute the theory where it is published.

I have posted my background on these LENR threads. You go fetch.


69 posted on 10/31/2011 8:50:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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“Either way, all this reproducibility and peer review stuff is being ignored for the useless procedure it is.” - K

Wow - in one post you claim Pons Fleischman is valid because it has been replicated 14,700 times. In the next, you claim that reproducibility doesn’t matter. Hmmmm....

And just who is this customer, Rossi claims to have?

Whatever is going on here - it is not science, it is much more like a Ronco veg-o-matic infomercial.


70 posted on 11/01/2011 9:15:16 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

“Either way, all this reproducibility and peer review stuff is being ignored for the useless procedure it is.” - K

Wow - in one post you claim Pons Fleischman is valid because it has been replicated 14,700 times.
***So then you acknowledge it has been replicated so many times? Why the demand to have it replicated yet again? So that it can be ignored, yet again? Do you or do you not acknowledge that it has been replicated that many times? Simple question. If you do acknowledge it, why would you need to see it replicated yet again? If you do not acknowledge it, what good is getting it replicated yet again? Your own attitude towards this subject demonstrates that it is wise for someone who has a lead on this technology would be better off selling it to satisfied customers and treating the scientific replication path as a secondary consideration.

And just who is this customer, Rossi claims to have?
***Why do you ask? Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem? No one knows, DUHH.

Whatever is going on here - it is not science,
***I agree, it is not science it is business. Rossi is sending two units to two universities and the scientists can play catchup after he’s sold 30 1MW plants.

it is much more like a Ronco veg-o-matic infomercial.
***Those guys sold a lot of vegomatics.


71 posted on 11/01/2011 9:41:37 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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And a customer paid Rossi for it and took possession of the device.

What customer?

72 posted on 11/01/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo

What Rossi is doing is not a replication of Pons, which many labs have investigated independently.

The “customer” is an unverified mystery.

I am saying that trying to wrap what Rossi is doing in a cloak of science is wrong. Science would have no secret formula.

We agree that this is a business issue, and Rossi is engaged in informercials - not science. Further, according to Rossi, the Fusion-O-Matic is selling.


73 posted on 11/01/2011 10:45:37 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

What Rossi is doing is not a replication of Pons,
***He is building on it. Focardi was a well known LENR researcher. The problem with LENR is that it’s hard to get a reaction to start reliably. Rossi solved that.

which many labs have investigated independently.
***Glad you accept such a simple fact. It is within this context that Rossi developed his catalyzer. It worked so well that Ni-H is now considered easier to reproduce than D-Pd. Before Rossi it was definitely the other way around.

The “customer” is an unverified mystery.
***Ho hum. We all know that. POTO: Pointing Out The Obvious.

I am saying that trying to wrap what Rossi is doing in a cloak of science is wrong.
***This isn’t science, it’s business.

Science would have no secret formula.
***IBM did this kind of stuff all the time.

We agree that this is a business issue, and Rossi is engaged in informercials - not science. Further, according to Rossi, the Fusion-O-Matic is selling.
***There is some science in those infomercials. For those of us who are inductive reasoners, we can catch it. But the “mundanes” will miss it.


74 posted on 11/01/2011 11:04:06 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: NewinTexsas

And just who is this customer, Rossi claims to have?
***Why do you ask? Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem? No one knows, DUHH.


75 posted on 11/01/2011 11:05:45 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Triple
We've seen this before...


76 posted on 11/01/2011 11:31:24 AM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: Kevmo
Why do you ask? Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem? No one knows, DUHH.

Thank you for admitting that know one knows if there is a customer. Now if you would quit reporting it as fact ...

77 posted on 11/01/2011 11:41:08 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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Rossi says he is sending two units to two universities

Fixed.

78 posted on 11/01/2011 11:43:33 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo; Triple
This isn’t science, it’s business.

Then how can you claim that "Ni-H is now considered easier to reproduce than D-Pd. Before Rossi it was definitely the other way around."?

79 posted on 11/01/2011 12:26:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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T4BTT

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To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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80 posted on 11/01/2011 1:55:17 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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