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To: JerseyanExile

considering many people under 30 cannot do a simple percentage...

hand calculators can take American jobs. forget AI

on top of that, there are only about 140m jobs in the US... and almost 7 billion people on the planet

the odds are, a person in a 3rd world country will gladly take your job, if possible.

this is not a sellers market (workers selling labor)... this is a buyers market where Americans will lose if we allow free trade and open borders for anyone to compete for American jobs. the supply of potential labor will just crush labor prices


6 posted on 10/30/2011 11:34:43 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Look, if someone can come from overseas, not speaking english, replace you today without loss of productivity, then you probably deserved to be fired.


9 posted on 10/31/2011 2:00:09 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: sten
Gentlemen:

You are on the right track. You reject abstract theories and have little regard for abundance and low prices. You concern yourselves mainly with the fate of the producer. You wish to free him from foreign competition, that is, to reserve the domestic market for domestic industry.

We come to offer you a wonderful opportunity for your — what shall we call it? Your theory? No, nothing is more deceptive than theory. Your doctrine? Your system? Your principle? But you dislike doctrines, you have a horror of systems, as for principles, you deny that there are any in political economy; therefore we shall call it your practice — your practice without theory and without principle.

12 posted on 10/31/2011 3:37:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: sten
this is a buyers market where Americans will lose if we allow free trade and open borders for anyone to compete for American jobs.

I didn't notice a </sarc> tag.

You have been here for a over a decade but you have the rhetoric of an OWS hippie that signed on last night. Apparently this forum has not been the least bit instructional or inspirational to you.

First off, the universal claim that this is a "buyers market" is not true for my field where clearly it is a sellers' market as I am pounded daily by many opportunities. So it is better to say that in many market segments, its a buyer's market.

There is no such thing as an "American Job", in the sense that only Americans are worthy enough and are entitled to perform the gig. We once thought that the US Presidency was uniquely and Constitutionally an "American Job" but we have recently discovered that it too can be taken by an illegal alien foreigner.

It is your kind of thinking and sentiment taken to Washington DC that is actually causing this problem and keeping Americans perpetually unemployed. You killed the Golden Goose. It is your fault.

Let us assume that everything you say is true (BTW, its not "almost" seven billion, it "is" seven billion). You admit in an offhand way that American workers essentially are practically interchangeable with illiterate, lazy, incompetent, uninspired and often criminal third worlders. I don't think even the union representatives speak of their members in such derogatory terms. Nonetheless, these fairly worthless individuals are entitled to a bogus category of "American Jobs" as if tightening a screw or delivering a package is somehow uniquely an American task.

Maybe your idea of an "American Job" is similar in every way to a regular job performed by people around the world since the beginning of time - except that the entitled "American Worker" is guaranteed to be well over compensated and allowed incredible latitude in delivering a self-defined quality of service.

Your complaint with "free trade" presupposes that only the US is permitted to export any product and no products are allowed to be imported into the US. That is crazy, and the US has devolved sufficiently that the rest of the world can seriously consider a future life without the US market.

On the other hand, Free Trade is what its name implies (in theory): Individuals, irrespective of locality, can enjoy a relatively unimpeded commercial transaction. If better quality labor and a much reduced price and reliability can be found somewhere other than the united States, then that person should be able to contract that labor without the government intervening.

You obviously despise the Free Market and wish to grant the US Government regulatory powers to prevent otherwise lawful and mutually beneficial trade.

I don't plan to work the rest of my life and I would love to be able to retire comfortably on my investments. This requires me, particularly in a highly inflationary environment, to invest in endeavors that reliably multiply my savings. You have already authorized the government to force me to either pay way over market for worthless labor, automate or flee this predatory government. The first option is clearly contrary to my goals and therefore is not even in consideration.

So basically, you are a greedy thief who wants to use the police powers of the government to force me to either not invest, or to take a haircut so you can be overcompensated and live comfortably off my previous labors. When you and the US government are in league to steal from me, then it is folly to be patriotic to despots and community of thieves. I, and every other freedom loving investor need to seriously consider the fact that hoodlums have taken over this great experiment in Freedom and Liberty and transformed it into a corrupt kleptocracy.

If you want an "American Job" you will need to present to the angel investor (euphemism for "rich person") a reason why he shouldn't find cheaper labor and more favorable business climate elsewhere, or why she shouldn't pour all kinds of money into machinery and software that won't come to work late, stoned, with an attitude, and demanding outrageous compensation with the underlying threat of lawsuit, strike or violence.

The recipe for creating "American Jobs" is to present a capable and affordable workforce in a low drag regulatory and tax environment. Our schools have eliminated the former possibility by at least two generations, and the latter is impossible for as long as people who think like you have the right to vote.

And that is the reason why my phone will continually ring by clients looking for LOB software that will help them eliminate jobs and streamline their businesses. The new "American Job" is one that is found in the "Profit Center" not in the "Cost Center".

31 posted on 11/01/2011 5:17:12 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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